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Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 14:04

No, you made it about my dogs the second you said "This is why there are only videos in closed rooms and fields" implying that I am covering up flaws.

You talk and talk and talk but what have you ever shown about any of your dogs?

All I said is that I am not worried about the lockdown because I dont need petco or tractor supply. Anything is novel for a puppy. A parking lot, a playground, my shop, a knocked over puppy gate they have to climb over to get out of a room... A tarp on the ground, metal grates...i dont need a busy environment to see how they work through stress. 

You can easily  expose and socialize puppies during a public lockdown.

And yes, I am pissed about the insult. It was an extremely personal insult implicating that I am dishonest and that my dogs have flaws and that I cover them up. You made it about them. Not me!
 


yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 14:04

Your dogs are trained in a room. You are always on your own none or very little stress in your videos. I hope you don't think I insulted you as that would never be my intention. It is just an observation and an opinion.

emoryg

by emoryg on 11 April 2020 - 15:04

BE, really enjoyed the video.  I have seen if before, but still refreshing to see the GSD doing work.  Thank you for sharing it.

Dawn, hopefully over the next few months things will settle down.  I don’t have any information on how it affects pup pickup, but I did just sell an adult.   In this situation, the couple flew in to the local airport in the mornings and flew home in the evenings.  This went on for six days till they were both comfortable with her.  The last two days they took the dog back for overnight stays, again returning in the morning.  They just stayed at their residence, so I wasn’t much concerned with something getting picked up.

We were both in areas where there was less than 5 people in the county with the virus, so that was helpful.   Still we didn’t shake hands or anything, and they packed their own lunch because they didn’t feel comfortable with eating fast food.  I don’t either.   There were no problems when we had to take the dog out in public.  We used the primary school’s playground for agility and obedience then went to the industrial parks for tracking and other work.  Both were empty. 

Not sure how this will effect the people who breed dogs for a living.  I know there’s still a big interest for puppies.  Probably 12-15 people who emailed about the female, also wanted to know if there were any puppies for sale.  I wonder how much of the stimulus money will go to buying puppies?lol


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 15:04

Yogi, I apologize for not wipping out a videocamera while Champ and I were at the ER for a suspected stroke. How dare I not take a video to proof how my dog works through a very stressful situation.

Until you show anything about your own dogs, dont talk shit about others.

yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 15:04

Good bye. Iv had enough

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 16:04

LOL yeah, because you have nothing to show yourself!

by Centurian on 12 April 2020 - 08:04

A comment for the general reader : I frown on over used genralized worgds i conversations .,.. Anyway , for the topic's sake : " socialization ' [ another cliche word ]

A story about ' socialization ' : When I was training plice K9 dogs , we hd some police dogs and police dogs candidates flown in by chgarter plane . There was one dog who seemed like the most ideal police dog one could desire. We di d the bite work forhim , the building searches , the apprhensions exercises ,pat downs , a dn more .. the whole 9 yards . We took this dof for walks , in the town center and so on that would be required of it . This dog never ever showed a weakness to any sound , sight , situation ... until .. until 1 day . It was a Sunday and we tool him for a walk through the hills of West Virginia , through he brush , over a bridge , and then we come to a set of railroad tracks while in the woods . When th dog came a set of rail road tracks , the dog jammed on his brakes ! This dog stopped dead in it's tracks .. refused to even budge let alone go over the rail road tracks . Couldn't get this dog to cross those tracks for you life .

So I hope the readers gain an appreciation of how much is required of a dog , even with the genetics andhow much the environment [ all situations /contexts ] plays a role and how much you need to do with a dog and prepare a dog for certain endeavors such as LE , Search & Rescue at disaster / demolished sites , as well as other endeavors.

We also had a similar police candidate dog ,who could supposebly do the whole routine , but one day when we tested the dog it was rainy so we took him into a building with linoleum flooring . The dog refused to step on the linoleum !! That was that - the dog was all done ! IMOp when we use just a simple word so much gets diluted within the convdersation , because one word cannot possibly cover what one needs to consider when talking about dogs for certain vocations. Just one little misgiving - a dog can be and will be, put out of the program .. I always keep in mind and appreciate what it takes for a dog to be selected for a purpose and the word 'socialization' in and of itself cannot even begin to describe that . So Socialization ... if we are planning on something quite important .. that word becomes so diminuative in comparison to what the dog should be made of to do and what has to be considered. That is so say , socialization ,just to so call socialize a dog , that is not enough .. Of course , just IMOp !

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 12 April 2020 - 11:04

Frankly, people are so worried about socializing and exposing puppies it's weirding me out. I'm not worried about any of it. If the genetics are right, you don't need all that shebang. The main reason why I have my own protocol is to see whether or not there are weaknesses, not to build confidence.

So true! Socializing is NOT allowing your pup to have a free-for-all with other pups, or be petted by every passerby! It's exposing them to new situations, new surfaces to walk on, strange noises, traffic, etc. etc. A truly confident pup will maybel balk the first time it has to cross a metal grate, but once the handler shows it the grate is safe, it should have no problem!

Centurian, I am surprised that no effort was made to get the dog used to the linoleum floor. If it had passed every other test up until then, it must have had fairly decent nerves, and maybe just needed some exposure to linoleum to realize it was nothing to be worried about. Even a dog with good nerves has self-preservation instincts, and will be reluctant to step on a surface it thinks is dangerous. I would expect a dog to balk when first asked to cross a metal grate, or an unstable surface, because it's worried about getting hurt.


Koots

by Koots on 12 April 2020 - 12:04

Centurian - I think you are confusing socialization with environmental soundness.

Socialization, in my opinion, means assessing how the dog/pup is around PEOPLE - is the dog neutral, friendly, fearful, apprehensive, etc. Preferably the pup/dog would be neutral, and accept that other people/kids/elderly could be in the vicinity and not be concerned about them.

What you are describing in your last post Centurian, is what I consider environmental soundness. Different surfaces, different places, buildings, dark rooms, brightly lit areas, etc. is all to test how the dog/pup is with its SURROUNDINGS/ENVIRONMENT.

The best working dog or K9 candidate is neutral to people (of all shapes, sizes, wheelchair, crutches, etc.) AND is environmentally sound - not bothered by different surroundings, surfaces, etc.

This is my youngster displaying an ENVIRONMENTAL test, using a little section of open-grate platform.   For some dogs, it is very difficult for them to walk on a surface which they can see through, but this pup doesn't seem to have that problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_sWzZ3yZhc


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 12 April 2020 - 12:04

I agree with what Mon Ansty says about socialization. It includes what Koots calls 'environmental soundness'.

http://naughtydogge.com/blog/socializing-your-puppy-how-it-should-look

[quote]
Socialization means teaching life skills. I exposed them to every possible skill that she might need to be a functional adult. With all of the exposure and success comes a level of confidence and bravery; they will get to the point where they believe they are invincible. Even when they get into trouble, they know I am right there behind her to help her with her difficulties.[/quote]






 


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