German Shepherd Dog > von der bösen Nachbarschaft (19 replies)
von der bösen Nachbarschaft
by kt484 on 26 June 2012 - 03:49
|im going on a guess and say this kennel is gone. |
Other then the simple fact that he produce some BSP and WUSV dogs. how is the bloodline?
Do people breed on there's lines still OTHER then tiekerhook?
What was the up and downs of theses dogs?
by vomeisenhaus on 26 June 2012 - 14:39
|Hard to find any west german line dogs that do not have his kennel in the pedigree as the t-litter is probably fero's mosy notable producers. I too would like to see what others have to say but you will find that most "real knowledgable" people on this subject stay as far away as they can from from this place. Best bet is to call the like of hanrahan, miller, trainor & others who have been around for many years. Mollly may give her input but I don't see her here much anymore either. I think most just know that these dogs are good to see in a ped. It would also help if you clarify what dogs from the kennel in particuilar. I hear quasy could throw throw some nerve issues but that is really nothing more than hearsay. Good luck. Kurt|
by BRIAN LYNCH on 27 June 2012 - 00:50
|LOVE THOSE DOGS MINE IS A TARZAN SON PRETTY MUCH FEARLESS AND BUILT LIKE A TANK ONE PERSON DOG HARD HEADED AT TIMES BUT COULD ASK FOR A BETTER PAL WHEN ITS JUST ME AND HIM AND THE MOUNTAINS, NO HEALTH ISSUES ALL HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS STILL DOING WELL THANKS TO TROLL YOCHEY AND FERO IN HIM AND HIS PUPS |
SORRY FOR MY SPELLING GOT TO GO TO TRAIN BEST WISHES ON FINDING THE LINE YOU WANT I AM NO PRO BUT WILL GIVE YA MY INPUT ON THE LINES I HAVE
by RLHAR on 27 June 2012 - 01:01
|This is my current working dog's pedigree.|
He goes back to both Troll and Timmy and there are a lot of other dogs in his pedigree but for what its worth...
My personal experience with him in a nutshell:
Calm full grip
Launches on escape and long bites.
Strong civil aggression
Very much wants to please his handler in obedience.
Very clean on-off switch between field and house.
Thinks the sun rises and sets on children.
Very aloof with strangers (unless its a child then he wants all the pets)
Slow to mature
Prey drive took more work to express than natural defense.
Requires consistency and patience in training (not saying this is a bad thing, just that with him I had to be very consistent in how I worked an exercise until he got it and if you mess up, you go two steps back for one step forward. However, once he *got it* then it was proofed and variables could be added in.)
Bit long in the body
Slightly curvy tail.
by BlackthornGSD on 27 June 2012 - 03:12
|First, I'd say that this is a kennel, not a bloodline.|
It's a kennel that has produced a high number of very good producing dogs in the past 20 years, though, and it is incredibly common in working bloodlines because of the two top-producing Fero sons.
However, the dogs from this kennel are not all known for the same things--even Timmy and Troll are considered to pass on different attributes (Timmy is said to pass on more Fero-type attributes, while Troll is said to pass on more of his mother). So, you really need to ask about the individual dog from this kennel rather than the kennel.
by darylehret on 27 June 2012 - 03:34
|I'd say it WAS a kennel, that's NOW a bloodline (or two). Timmy and Troll are also considered to pass on similar attributes, and therefore used with success in many T-litter linebreedings. There aren't many kennels at all that offer more than a couple very noteworthy producers in thier entire breeding careers, and this kennel is no real exception outside of Timmy and Troll. So, not to be argumentative, but in this instance I would view them as bloodlines, and very prolific ones at that.|
by BlackthornGSD on 27 June 2012 - 03:52
|I'd say that T vd BN is 2 paths to Fero. And what about Quasy? Totally different.|
by darylehret on 27 June 2012 - 04:10
|OK 3, but Quasy is fading (I think, but you might disagree). I agree about them both as Fero lines, but each of the T-boys deserving of their own distinction, just as Eros and Ellute are distinctly different offerings to the Tom v'Leefdalhof line.|
by BlackthornGSD on 27 June 2012 - 15:26
|I guess I still think of a bloodline as something both more distinct and more general than an individual producer or three. Like people still talk about Koerbelbach/Bungalow lines (don't they?)--and there are many other breeders that have these dogs as part of their foundation -- Barenfang, Saltzalblick and Saltzal-Hohe.|
I would say that, for example, Czech border patrol dogs -- going back to the older DDR dogs and bred strictly for work for a number of years -- is a bloodline. They go back to a common group of dogs, were bred for similar traits that are found in most of the dogs from the bloodline, and have been bred into other bloodlines to bring their special features to the other lines. I also think of a bloodline as tending to have a somewhat restricted genetic pool--it goes back to its foundations via many paths.
by Cassandra Marie on 27 June 2012 - 23:00
You mentioned that " it was said Timmy passes on more Fero-like attributes." Could you please expand upon this? I have 2 Fero great-granddaughters available to me to import and I think your comments would be helpful.
by Bundishep on 27 June 2012 - 23:28
|Fero,s sons and grandsons are among the best lines to be linebred on in modern times for working dogs.Troll.Timmy,Aly, Yoscky,Half,Rocky,etc,etc,etc|
by Dobermannman on 27 June 2012 - 23:48
|They're now breeding Malinois. What's that tell you?|
by Sheesh on 28 June 2012 - 00:22
|Thomas, maybe they got tired of all the hair? Or could be they decided to go with easier dogs since they have gotten older? You know, their golden years and all... Totally kidding of course ;-) Theresa|
by guddu on 28 June 2012 - 00:41
|So whats the major differences between Troll, Timmy and Quasy..|
by Gustav on 28 June 2012 - 02:01
|Drive, aggression and environmental sureness|
by vomeisenhaus on 28 June 2012 - 02:09
|Much depended on the female :)|
by Chaz Reinhold on 28 June 2012 - 02:30
|I agree with Thomas, in a sense. when the hand saw was invented it was the coolest. Electric saws became easier and " cooler" .|
by Cassandra Marie on 28 June 2012 - 13:11
I sent you a PM. In advance thak you for your time.
by BlackthornGSD on 28 June 2012 - 15:28
|Troll v BN seems to be a good resource for high pack drive and trainability, high prey drive.|
Timmy seems to bring lower thresholds and quick aggression, high prey drive. The Timmy son I knew in person was high high drive but more than a little nutty.
Xato/Quasy ... I've heard to watch for dog aggression and handler aggression. High prey drive. The Xato son I knew had a nasty aggressive streak--a bit unstable, maybe?
Here's Quasy's pedigree--he's actually got Timmy on his bottom half: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=32411
by kt484 on 01 July 2012 - 15:24
|is this kennel still around?|