German Shepherd Dog > AI from other countries (17 replies)
AI from other countries
by gagsd4 on 05 June 2012 - 00:37
|I know not Germany. Can a breeder in the USA get semen shipped from Slovakia, Czech Republic, Belgium, or other country, and get puppies registered with AKC? Has anyone done this? Mary|
by Hedi on 06 June 2012 - 14:24
|I am curious why not Germany?|
by gagsd4 on 06 June 2012 - 14:41
|SV does not allow AI at all, to my knowledge. Mary|
by Hedi on 06 June 2012 - 14:51
|What do you need the SV for when the dog will have AKC papers? You have to adhere to what they want here if you are doing AI here (in the US). All you need is a kit and someone to collect.....|
by djc on 07 June 2012 - 05:59
|I have been wondering the same thing. The "deck" / stud/breeding paperwork. Can be sent with the shipment with out going through the SV?|
by Hedi on 07 June 2012 - 21:53
|Does this help? http://www.akc.org/pdfs/ALFZ2.pdf here is this too http://www.akc.org/pdfs/frozsem.pdf and if all else fails....call the AKC. I am also adding this link. http://www.akc.org/contact/answer_center/faq_reg_requirements.cfm scroll down quite a ways. From what I am reading...it does not sound like it is an issue...just have to adhere to what the AKC policies are.|
by GSDPACK on 07 June 2012 - 22:45
|The SV will not issue a stud mating registration, without it, no papered puppies. The only way the SV issues a "breeding certificate" is through the actual natural mating. Unless it has changed. No AI is allowed yet.|
by Hedi on 07 June 2012 - 23:25
|Have you attempted to import semen from Germany?|
by GSDPACK on 08 June 2012 - 00:37
|Nope, what for?|
Unless something has changed in the last four years in the AI department again the registry organization requires natural breeding. If no natural breeding takes place, no releas of mating is given, no papers can be issued without that.
You can always purchase the semen, however good luck registering the litter since there will be no paperwork to back it up. (again unless it has changed)
by Blitzen on 08 June 2012 - 00:41
|The SV does not approve litters resulting from frozen, live or chilled semen.....no AI's period. If you want to breed a female to a dog residing in Germany and register the litter with the SV, the breeding must be done naturally. I made no claims to understand why this is an SV ruling and I think it a damned shame that breeders in other countries must ship their bitches to Germany in order to breed to a dog there. Why would a German breeder offer semen for sale?|
by Hedi on 08 June 2012 - 00:50
|I guess I am confused by the fact that if the stud owner does the DNA stuff and sends off whatever paperwork the AKC wants....sounds like it would work without the SV. Or? Not talking about SV papers getting issued....AKC papers, not SV. Not sure why the SV would need to sign anything for AKC based on what I have read.|
by Hedi on 08 June 2012 - 00:55
|Unless the shipping of the semen would violate rules with the SV breed book for that stud, resulting in that stud getting booted out of the book. That might be possible....it would make sense if the AKC seems to not really mind that it would be an option, espeically since the pedigree meets the AKC stipulations for being recognized. Not really worth getting your stud booted. Hmmm....|
by GSDPACK on 08 June 2012 - 00:55
|Last time I registered a litter in whelp, mother was AKC registered, stud was in Czech, AKC required proof of breeding signed off by the owner of the stud and then oked by the countries registry.|
Pretty much it is called controlled breeding.
But that was about a year ago,it could have changed.
Oh and Heidi, yes, there could be some consequences for the owned of the stud that I don't think anybody really wants to deal with for one breeding.
Blitzen, the reason it is not allowed is because Europe is small.. kinda.
It is not that hard to take a bitch to the stud, an 8 hour trip is a looooong ways for a European.
It eliminates dogs from breeding who have hard time breed naturally
It eliminates all sorts of fraud.
by Hedi on 08 June 2012 - 00:58
|I am curious now. I will have to do some researching.|
by Hedi on 08 June 2012 - 01:04
|Ok. So here is another AI situation. A dog is collected here in the US and then returns. Dog resided here for a number of years. What then? Is that semen that was collected and stored here not usable? All the paperwork is done dog no longer lives on US soil. Dog is entered in both studbooks....|
by GSDPACK on 08 June 2012 - 01:11
|That is something you would have to research. I know the AKC would register the litter since the owner of the semen would have given a permission to do so, not the owner of the stud...this is what I am talking about, a lot of disputes can be avoided by not collecting. I would not be happy if I were an owner of a stud and some Joe Shmoe owned 8 straws of his semen and sold it to do some shitty breedings. I don't think that would be something I ever want to deal with.|
There is no controlled breeding in the US and it shows!
Imagine, you own a dog, 2 year old you decided to purchase and this dog has been collected by another person... I guess it is not the stud, it is the semen now that has the value.... tvisted especially if you take the dog to WUSV, you dont even have rights to your dog's semen, LOL... wow I can see this go very sour.
by Hedi on 08 June 2012 - 01:19
|I agree. There are a lot of trash breeders. The AI does offer an interesting option to collect and store semen for later use on a line that might not be otherwise available at a later date. In terms of straws, I would think that would be something the two parties would have to work out. Perhaps it is better for the stud owner to collect and sell straws as they are requested....but then again you have to have a demand for a stud to have frozen semen in storage somewhere. |
I would hate to think like that about people. But time and time again...craziness is thought up. I guess that would be a risk with purchasing an adult male. I would think a live cover is way cheaper than AI depending on travel distance. Additionally if that type of potential was there I would think that the dog would not be offered for sale in the first place. You can find crooked people anywhere.
by trixx on 08 June 2012 - 18:46
|i think the reason SV only does natural breedings, is cause if they cant do natural they should not be breeding at all. and i can see the understanding behind this as i do beleive it to be true. i do also understand the long distance and i think that is the only time you should do AI. and i dont think SV will change there rules any time soon.|