Civil Aggression - Page 4

I see a lot of people posting on this thread do not know the difference between Civil Agression and a SHARP dog.

Yes, Ram. What most of what we are talking about is a sharp dog with thresholds. Now we're getting technical....lol. civil is a loosely used word. I learned it as will bite without equipment, but is used widely as a term to describe a sharp and :"serious" dog.

so basically the answer to the OP is the same answer to every dog question, it depends on;


the individual dog, the handler, the situation, the training, the raising, the ........,....insert an endless list of variables;

and it also depends on what you mean by ................ insert and endless list of terminology + debate on what the terms mean.


that's all good, this is how learning happens.

Chaz, with all due respect, I believe you are describing a very sharp dog. To me sharp/shy dogs are far more problematic and dangerous.

IMHO

Another thought for all who continue to be interested and care to enlighten me. In the video posted by Duke, the dog shows aggression toward the helper as the helper comes forward cracking the whip. The dog is clearly focused on the helper and not the sleeve. The dog is being threatened and it is not a game now. So, he's being worked in defense and is willing to bite the aggressor (civil). Does this make sense?

Joe, yes. Like I said to Ram, I am describing a sharp dog with low thresholds, but I believe others were before me using "civil" to describe the dogs

Like I said to Ram, civil as I learned it just meant will bite without equipment. But over the years, more and more people use the term to describe a sharp or serious dog. We had this discussion on here years ago. I remember having an argument wit Alphapup over what HOT meant. Googling Armin Winklers old articles are always a good resource

The problem here is a true serious working dog usually doesn't have an off switch and isn't a pet and should never be treated as such .. working line gsd , malis , dutchies etc were never intende to be pets. if that's what you want then maybe a different breed of dog like a lab or golden is more suitable .. in reality you can't have a high prey drive , high hunt drive , naturally aloof , defensive , powerful, sharp working dog and expect it to not be a little edgy or an asshole . I own and have raised some really serious hard dogs and I've put shit ton of time trying to enhance those traits and not once did I expect these dogs or wanted to make them pet dogs or fit into the friendly neighborhood rover role.. I know their capabilities and limits . My dogs are kenneled unless I'm working them , no dog park,no Starbucks , no petmart , no petting zoo no letting them run around the house when having guest over cause I don't need a Lawsuit.

 

Chaz- gotcha, missed what you said to Ram.

Shawnicus- to my knowledge police dogs live with their handlers and families. Also, as I mentioned earlier, I knew a Lord son who was a very serious dog, it didn't matter where, when, with equipment or without, the dog was gonna go. I couldn't believe that this monster in his house with his people was like a lamb.

No big deal. Just always a problem when we use terms loosely.