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New lines for Europe via Sweden, Norway, Czech, Austria & France (maybe Germany)? (16 replies)
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Hey everyone,
I am a very serious breeder in Australia looking to work together in exporting quality bloodlines to Europe for the quality and improvement of the world wide genepool.
I've been advised that Sweden, Norway, Czech, Austria & France will accept Australian-bred bloodlines. If you are from any of these countries, do you know if your kennel club/s agree with this? I would just like to confirm...
As you may know, our official kennel club in Australia (ANKC) does not look or register our local bloodlines, so we have independent WSS registries/clubs that do it instead.
I would be willing to send a puppy or frozen semen to reputable breeders in Europe to be registered with the FCI and have them shown over there. I would be interested in a few generations later, importing the bloodlines back into Australia with an FCI pedigree that Australia would accept.
Some of the dogs I can offer are:
Neigepearl Crashdown Zan (Cooper):
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/white_shepherd/pedigree/693679.html
Visit his own page with more information and photos here: http://www.whiteshepherd.com.au/cooper.htm
Neigepearl Royal Adoration (Bolto):
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/white_shepherd/pedigree/802199.html
Visit his own page with more information and photos here: http://www.whiteshepherd.com.au/balto1.htm
Neigepearl Royal Desire (Ziggi):
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/white_shepherd/pedigree/693694.html
Visit his own page with more information and photos here: http://www.whiteshepherd.com.au/ziggi.htm
Though I think it will depend on the individual county as to whether it is necessary to have 3 generations of white breeding. Some of my bloodlines have coloured dogs...
What are your own countries regulations about registering dogs with the FCI logo? Must the dog have 3 generations? Are any American dogs allowed?
I will work more on this post and show you some of the other dogs I have bred also...
Brooke Taylor
Neigepearl Kennels
www.whiteshepherd.com.au
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This other male - Neigepearl Incredible Hulk is also one to watch.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/white_shepherd/pedigree/845531.html
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Hi
First of all, I must say that your dogs looks beautiful
But you have wrong.
Norway. Germany does not accept your bloodlines if they not are already FCI register.
Sweden maybe, don't know what will happened next year. This year is to late.
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Thanks Tina,
So not Germany and Norway?
Would be interested to hear from more people... :)
Thanks again for your reply!
Brooke |
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Dear Brooke,
The reason is that the FCI states clearly in his circular that the pedigree of a white swiss shepherd needs to have ONLY white shepherds at least for 3 generations. none of these dogs fullfill this requirement (except Hulk).
germany and also swiss are curious about this and no breeder get allowance to use any dog for breeding which has not 3 generations of white dogs in his pedigree, even if the dog has a FCI pedigree.
other countries may allow this even it is against the circular from the FCI.
best wishes,
Cynthia
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Thanks so much Cynthia.
So they must have 3 generations of white behind them. Thank-you for the clarification.
Can anyone please explain why the USA import, Surefire's Obi Wan Kinobi was registered as a WSS in Europe - even though his parents are not white? |
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Hi Niegepearl,
Salutes to Australia.
Interesant post and difficult to explain and understand isnt it?
OBI-WAN KENOBI is registered in Finland as WSS, before the 2007 FCI.be circular. I can see AKC championships and UKC registration number here in pedigree database (maybe I'm wrong). Has been used as stud all over Europe, Finland, Germany, Cheq Rep., Austria etc.. To be honest with excellent results, look at CHANTAL TAIEN 2008 BBI cup of nations winner. Reputated kennels like White energy, Born to win, White condor used him with different breeding purposes longhair, short hair or working dogs; though I dont know if they still use him as stud or what their puppies pedigree look alike you must ask them.
Anyway my intentions is'nt to judge them wrong or right. In my opinion is really interesant to mix white shepherds where ever they come from if they're good and OBI is.
In other hand I know several kennels who did'nt use him as stud even they wanted afraid of the pedigree consequences and the commentaries.
At first I thought if it had to do with the conflict between BBI and FBBSI but kennels from both sides have used the dog so I imagine you're going to have to find a breeder interested in your dogs (which are beautiful) with courage enough like ternuler schloss (excellent Zenado) but it's getting more and more difficult.
Perhaps all breeders should keep their first intention when in some countries in Europe breeding white shepherds was not so easy and everyone was opened to new lines and brought so many american and canadian dogs to establish the breed as it is today. It seems as if the breed is considered established as it is in this moment and everyone forgot this breed almost dissapeared because of this certain attitudes but....
I also would like a response to the question you do in your post I'm eager to learn and I dont have the clue
Lendinez |
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When the time Obi was register as a WSS, we haven't got the new rules..The new rules started the year after.
In Germany and many other countries you are not allowed to use him, since he has coloured parents. |
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dear brooke,
yes, we are not allowed to use obi and his offsprings in germany... when his grand-grand-children are available for stud, we can use those to import his lines...
so other breeders in other countries do need to make the first step to import the dogs and breed with them.
or you go ahead with your breeding program and ensure that only white dogs are mated and in 3rd generation we might be able to import directly to germany if the have fci pedigree.
what i do not understand is, that there is a circular and still lots of countries no not care about this.... and the fci seems not to care either...
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Just a question
Do the puppies of HASNA OF SKAH DAKOTA have an official pedigree even if it's 4 generation incomplete?
Is it different in The Netherlands. He is grandson of OBI. |
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Just a question
Do the puppies of HASNA OF SKAH DAKOTA have an official pedigree even if it's 4 generation incomplete?
Is it different in The Netherlands. He is grandson of OBI. |
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Thank-you for your replies Lendinez and Ironbabe,
In 2009 & 2010 we are planning some very interesting litters that will have 3 generations of white. I'd be interested if any European countries would be interested in them, as they will be new blood and it would be great for me if in a few generations later, I could import them and officially show and regisiter them here in Australia. It seems Germany is a bit like Australia with their rules.
I wish it was clear what countries are still open to these new lines! If anyone else can comment further with some answers, I'm sure we will all find these answers interesting for our breed!
Thanks! :)))
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| the puppies of hasna are fine, since their pedigree show 3 generation of white dogs... |
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Just an update...
Does anyone know what the registration requirements are for the European countries for new blood? |
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that is correct in such a way
hasna is not the first generation
1) bendor 2) Obi) with 3 begins the color
only Hasna´s of children may with us into the breed!
Greetings Nicole |
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| klar, bei uns! aber im ausland darf er belegen. wir dürfen erst seine nachkommen in die zucht nehmen.... darum steht auch oben: hasnas puppies are fine... denn hasna selbst, dürfen wir nicht. seine nachkommen sind ok. |
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| Sorry, ich habe Dein Post anders verstanden. |
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