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GSD TATTOOED FOUND REPLY (35 replies)
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HI, THIS IS JULIE AGAIN FROM TATOO A PET. I GOT A RETURN CALL FROM THE BREEDER LAST NIGHT ABOUT 5PM.
GAVE HIMTHE TATTOO #, TO IDENTIFY THE OWNER. HE SAID HE WOULD CALL BACK. I AM STILL WAITING IT IS 10:30AM EAST COAST.
WHAT IS HIS PROBLEM? IS THERE NOT A BOOK WITH A RECORD OF THE DOGS HE HAS TATTOOED?.
WOULD THIS BE ACCEPTABLE IF IT WAS YOUR DOG?
I WANT TO ASSURE ALL OF YOU THAT IF YOUR PET IS FOUND AND YOU CAN NOT BE FOUND, AN OWNER CAN BE GIVEN OWNERSHIP OF THE DOG, OR IT CAN BE EUTHANIZED IN A FACILITY OR EVEN GO TO A LAB FOR RESEARCH.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL GET YOUR DOG BACK...................IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME OR THINK I AM WRITTING HERE TO SOLICIT BUSINESS AS ONE POST MENTIONED, PLEASE CALL ME AT 1800 828-8667 AND I WILL BE ABLE TO
SEND YOU PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING ,
TO DATE, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN ANSWER E.MAIL BACK FROM THE UNITED SHUTZUND OR EVEN A PHONE CALL.
IS THIS HOW THEY WILL HELP YOU RECOVER A LOST PET?
AGAIN, I SAY YOUR PETS TATTOO NEEDS TO BE REGISTERED. IF THEY ARE NOT, NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY CARES OR WILL GET THEM BACK FOR YOU. IT IS YOUR PET. IF IT CAN'T BE FOUND IT WILL BE YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE.
AND YOU ARE FREE TO CALL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AS FOR THIS DOG, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIM ARE FALLING IN LOVE, HE DID NOT HAVE A CHIP THAT WAS CHECKED
OR MAYBE THE SCANNER COULD NOT READ IT OR MAYBE IT MIGRATED.THEY HAVE HIM FOR A GOOD WHILE. I WILL BE GIVING IT ANOTHER DAY TILL NOV 13TH UNTIL I PROVIDE LEGAL REGISTRATON TO THE FINDER
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I received the first information about this dog two evenings ago - contacted Usa office who replied the next morning - giving them only about 30 minutes response time, with the breeders name and tel #. The breeder was contacted the same day, and you need to give him a reasonable time to find and contact the legitimate LEGAL owner of this dog to find out why he is not in their possession. If the owner doesn't want the dog, or sold the dog to someone who doesn't want the dog, then the finder should of course keep the dog. Meanwhile, do what you say you are doing in your business of registering pets - and find the rightful owner before placing the dog.
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There are several programs that are MUCH BETTER than "Tattoo -a- pet". The tattoo a pet is a franchise. Anyone can be doing it and it is pretty worthless as there is no system. Often the people doing the tattoo are groomers. Central registries don't exist. And most of all, most people don't even know they exist.
As well, even if you participate in the chip programs with the more legitimate registries, if your information is sent in, at some time in the near future you should check with the program to VERIFY your contact information is correct. In more than 50% of my registrations there was a mistake!!! Finally, if you change anything, a phone number, an address or anything else, be certain to update the registry and then check back with them again to make sure they have it correctly recorded. Data entry is only as good as those who enter it. All too often the people entering such data are not terribly attentive to detail, in any endeavor.
As for Tattoo a Pet giving someone legal registration.....that is pure bunk. While a finder of a stray may end up keeping the dog, there is, as we know, only one formal and accepted registry in the US, and that is the AKC, like it or not. Tattoo-a-Pet cannot give someone "legal registration" as this poster writes above. The Schutzhund organizations do not keep registries in general and if they say they do, don't hold your breath for them to help figure out where a given dog came from.
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Molly and Hodie, thanks for posting the "real" truth. Someone sounds a little too hormonal to me. OMG OMG the sky is falling, the phone should be ringing off the hook. LOL
Julie, once again get a grip. The breeder is 99% more than likely, not the owner of the dog and had no idea it was missing. He needs to gather paperwork, sit down and sort out what dog it is by the #. I'm sure he wasn't sitting right next to the phone with files in hand. People do have lives, be reasonable.
Your threats to give a dog you do not own to someone else, make you and your "registry", look less than credible. |
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Sounds like a scam to me.....
JULIESUE,
Have you looked locally for the owner?
Posted an ad in the paper?
Tattoos seem very confusing for this purpose, chips are not much better.
If I don't pay my (home again) dues will they withhold information on my dog until I pay up?
In my experience some lost dogs were not lost, only intercepted on their way home and not allowed to continue their journey. Sometimes held for a reward, sometimes it is a scam.
This crap about giving legal registration to the finder is bogus and blows me away, takes away all of your credibility.
Nor do I like your tone.
I'll keep your number just in case for future reference.
SSDD.
Moons.
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IT IS A SHAME WHEN A PERSON ANSWERS A POST AND PROCLAIMS THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE POSTER AND THEN COMPLETELY ANSWERS WITH TOTALY FALSE INFO. SO IS THE CASE OF HODIE IN ANSWER TO THIS TOPIC.
TATOO A PET DID NOT GO ON THIS TO SOLICIT BUSINESS, BUT TO FIND THE OWNER OF A TATTOOED GSD
WITH A USA TATTOO.
HODIE THEN STATES HER OPINION OF OUR COMPANY OUT OF THE BLUE HER OPINION WITH TOTALY FALSE INFO OF HOW WE OPERATE.
TATOO A PET IS A NATONAL REGISTRY THAT HAS BEEN IN BUSINES SINCE 1972 WITH OVER 8000 REGISTERED
TATOOERS AND VETS WITH A NATIONAL SYSTEM THAT HAS TATTOOED AND REGISTERED OVER 3 MILLION PETS WITH A 99% DOCUMENTED RECOVERY RECORD. IT IS A CENTRAL .SYSTEM OF PET PROTECTION.AND, NOT A FRANCISE HEADQUARTED IN FT LAUDERDALE FL.A WELL KNOWN AGENCY TO FIND OWNERS OF TATTOOED PETS. SHE CLAIMS NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT. IT IS SHE OR HE THAT DOES NOT KNOW AND SHOULD NOT BE STATING FACTS SHE CALLS WORTHLESS. WE GET CALLS FROM AKC AND SHELTERS DAILY. PETS TATTOOED AND REGISTERED WITH US ARE PROTECTED
IMMEDIATELY UPON TATTOO, THEY CAN BE RECOVERED WITHIN AN HOUR EVEN THOUGH TATTOO A PET HAS NOT GOTTEN THE # IN THIER OFFICE YET.. IT CAN EVEN RECOVER PETS WITH TATTOOS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO READ, HAVE A DIGIT MISSING.ETC. SHE KNOW S NOTHING CORRECT.
SHE SAYS WHAT WE SAY ABOUT LEGALLY REGISTERING THE PET IN A FINDER NAME IS BUNK SHE MENTIONS
AKC POWER AKC IS ONLY INTERESTED IN BREEDING AND SHOWING NOT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE DOG.I SINCERELY WISH SHE SHOULD GO TO OUR WEBSITE WWW.TATTOO-A-PET.COM AND MAKE APOLOGY AS TO THE INACURATE AND FALSE INFO STATED WITHOUT KNOWING FACTS..
TO FINALIZE. I CAME HERE TO FIND THE OWNER OF A PET. I DID NOT LOOK OR ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO REGISTER YOUR PETS WITH US.
I DID TELL YOU THE FACTS WE WOULD DO AND SHELTERS DO IF OWNERS CAN NOT BE FOUND AS A WARNING
HEED IT OR NOT. IT IS YOUR PET.
MY INTEREST IS IN THE DOG NOT THE OWNER. IF I FOUND A NEGLECTED DOG ABUSED ETC, I WOULD NOT GIVE
IT BACK. WOULD YOU? IF I CAN'T FIND THE OWNER OF A TATTOOED GSD TATTOO WHAT I DO WITH THE DOG IS IMITERIAL AS HOW WOULD THE OWNER KNOW ANYWAY????
HODIE. PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGIT BEFORE YOU WRITE FALSE ONES. APOLOGISE
READERS CHECK YOUR OWN FACTS I CAN PROVE MINE CALL ME 1 800 828-8667 |
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Still don't like your tone.
SSDD.
Moons. |
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Be sure to check out Julies' video tattooing a dog............ The way the tattoos are done means they do not last either (have seen them in my rescue operation). For a small fee, you too can join her business and become a pet tattooer.........and use the same needle on 75 dogs.....check it out for yourself.
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I agree with Hodie 100%. And Moon's I am right there with you as far as Julies tone. Do you really think that anyone would even consider your ridiculous organization after your nasty, "wake up people" crap??????????? It does not sound like the person who found the dog has bothered to do anything, did they post flyers, call vet offices to report the dog as found, how about shelters? Run an ad in the paper?? How about the microchip, they did not take it to the vet or shelter to have someone read it? By the way "miss thing", when they migrate they usually shift to the shoulder or down the back slightly. I have seen one in the forearm near the elbow. They can be seen on an xray. By the way please enlighten us as to which state the "finder" is in, I would really like to know since the east coast state I live in, which is in the Northeast region, has a law making it illegal to hold a dog that you find, it MUST be turned over to the local shelter or animal control immediately. I REALLY hope it is my state so that I can report your illegal crap to the proper authorities. Your outfit is a joke, as Hodie stated, any idiot can pay a fee, buy your equipment and tattoo away, does your company also condone theft of someones dog, because you seem to think YOUR entitled to "give" someones LEGAL property to someone else??
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mking,
You are exactly right. And doing something to see that the finder posts flyers, calls vet offices, the shelter, scans the dog for a chip etc., places ads (often free) in papers is rarely done. Just this date someone idiot called me wanting me to take a dog that was sleeping on her porch. It was in the city and I am in the country. I asked if she had taken the dog to a vet or the shelter to scan it, and she told me she could not afford that. I told her that was free. I asked her if she had done any of the things you mention above and she said "I am intelligent so I know about all that", but had done NOTHING. I told her to take the dog to the shelter or, at the very least, call the shelter to report the dog as found. She hung up. LOL......hopeless.
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mking,
You are exactly right. And doing something to see that the finder posts flyers, calls vet offices, the shelter, scans the dog for a chip etc., places ads (often free) in papers is rarely done. Just this date someone idiot called me wanting me to take a dog that was sleeping on her porch. It was in the city and I am in the country. I asked if she had taken the dog to a vet or the shelter to scan it, and she told me she could not afford that. I told her that was free. I asked her if she had done any of the things you mention above and she said "I am intelligent so I know about all that", but had done NOTHING. I told her to take the dog to the shelter or, at the very least, call the shelter to report the dog as found. She hung up. LOL......hopeless.
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Sounds to me like the people who found the dog simply want to keep him. Possibly they called this tattoo registry because they saw the tattoo and wanted to register the dog in their name? Or maybe they wondered if the dog had an owner. Apparently "Julie" has decided these people are a good home for the dog and so no further need to actually find the owner before accepting registration monies for the dog and proclaiming them the "registered owners". What she has failed to do is inform the finders, that the dog does have a found breeder, who obviously sold the dog to someone - and that someone may very well want the dog back. If the owner doesn't want the dog back, the breeder might. There may very well be a contract between owner and breeder that the breeder gets the dog back in the case the owner doesn't want it. Either way, the dog is registered with USA, most likely registered with AKC, so legally registered to SOMEONE ELSE. LEGALLY is the key word. Owner and breeder can provide proof of ownership - and I'm sure if the owner/breeder want the dog back they could press charges against the "finder" and Julie for failing to deliver the dog to them if they want the dog back.
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I AM APAULLED AT THE ATTITUDE OF HODIE AND OTHERS WHO ARE BERATING ME AND MY COMPANY FOR PROVIDING
PROTECTION FOR THE PAST 37 YRS GETTING PETS HOME. YOUR ORGANIZATION USA DOES NOT CARE.
YOU ARE NOT GOING AFTER THEM WHY NOT? THE BREEDER AND THE TATTOOER OF THIS DOG AS OF THIS DATE HAVE STILLNOT IDENTIFIED THE OWNER. IT WAS CHECKED FOR A CHIP, PUT OUT ON THE RADIO ,ALL SHELTERS WERE NOTIFIED, POSTERS PLACED NEWSPAPER AD 2 WKS.
GET IT IN YOUR MIND PEOPLE THAT IF YOU DO NOT LOOK FOR YOUR PETS( WHICH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS AN OWNER)
YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR PETS BACK.
YOU CAN BERATE ME ALL YOU WANT ON THIS BOARD, BUT TO CALL ME AT 1 800-828-8667 AND SPEAK DIRECTLY YOU ARE GUTLESS.
WHEN THE POUNDS WILL EUTHANIZE YOUR TATTOOED DOGS THAT CAN NOT BE IDENTIFIED YOU WILL NEVER KNOW ABOUT
WHEN FINDERS I CAN NOT FIND OWNERS FOR ARE GIVEN THE PETS YOU WILL NOT KNOW EITHER.
AFTER 37YRS WE HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN SUED OR HAD A BAD COMPLAINT ABOUT US FROM ANYONE.
SO STOP WITH THAT. GROW UP THIS IS A REAL WORLD WHEN ANIMALS NEED PROTECTION AND PEOPLE LIKE
YOU INSTEAD OF HELPING ARE HURTING.
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If the owner wants the dog back, and you have publicly stated that you will not give the dog back to the owner (statements which are documented) - then you may very well be sued. I hope that the owner does contact you - or the breeder straightens it out. If I were the breeder I definately would have already - but you never know what channels might be necessary to take to locate the owner - might take some time.
Whatever happens I hope the dog ends up in a great home.
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Nice way to drum up business, Julie coming on here yelling and threatening. Way to win friends and influence people.
You say that you are not here to get business for your company, yet you have the phone number and website plastered along with all your statistics and fun facts about your company. Too bad your condescending attitude just lost you some potential business. I would have considered registering my dogs with you, had you not come on here with such an ugly attitude.
Guess the microchip way is the way to go. At least the vets cannot "give" your microchipped dog away if they are lost or stolen. This dog could have been stolen, and maybe the owners are not even near the location where the dog was found. The owners of the dog may have given up hope and don't even know he's been found.
I hope the breeder has a copy of the contract and wants the dog back, at least until the rightful (legal) owners are found. I agree with Molly, it sounds like the "finders" of the dog just want to keep him.
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OP posts : "AFTER 37YRS WE HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN SUED OR HAD A BAD COMPLAINT ABOUT US FROM ANYONE."
LOL, BS. I personally know three people who made complaints to your company several years ago about the quality and method of the tattooing. When one does not want to hear a complaint, I guess one can post BS like this above.
Further, this person has an ethical responsibility to make sure the present owner has a real opportunity to get the dog if they want it. That can't happen if someone is holding a dog, essentially hiding it, or holding the dog hostage as this person seems to be doing to suit her own whims.
Folks, do yourself a favor. While no system is perfect, pen tattooing is the weakest link, especially this outfit. Get your dog properly chipped and make sure the registry has the right information and check to make sure they have it at least once a year. Make sure your dog has a collar and tags. Best bet: don't let your dog get lost in the first place.
By the way, if you post here, expect a threatening PM from Julie.... LOL. Just block her from sending PMs and let her rant here.
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I would say the posts here are Unbelievable .... however, they are typical. Leave the OP alone; she is trying to do the "right thing." Geez .... give it a rest. |
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Juliesue: Do I have this sequence of events from this thread right? ( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/341713.html#341989p )
11/11/09 Molly contacted USA.; 11/12/09 9:00 AM USA office called Molly back with name and phone number;
11/12/09 Breeder called Juliesue and advised he would check his records and get back to her.
Seems to me this is an example of how it SHOULD work! You stated the following on the thread I linked:
by JULIESUE on 11 November 2009 - 20:11 JULIESUE
Posts: 7
Joined: Wed Nov 11, 2009 05:51 pm
"I GET AT LEAST 4 OR 5 CALLS A WEEK FROM PEOPLE AND SHELTERS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND IN CANADA ABOUT THESE GOOD LOOKING SHEPHERD DOGS FOUND WITH THESE EAR TATTOO'S THAT I NEVER CAN GET STRAIGHT ANSWERS ON OR RECOVER TO THIER RIGHTFUL OWNERS.
AS A RESULT, I REGISTER THE FINDERS WITH THESE DOGS WHO WANT TO KEEP THEM, AND THE SHELTERS WHO I CAN FIND NO INFO FOR ARE EUTHANIZED. IF YOU ARE THE BREEDER OR OWNER OF ONE OF THESE DOG WITH A TATTOO IN ITS EAR.YOU NEED TO REGISTER THAT TATTOO WITH ME.
I CAN'T GET OUT OF THIS GREEN SO LET ME SAY, I DID NOT COME HERE TO SOLICIT BUSINESS, BUT TO HELP YOU TO PROTECT YOU PETS.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND BE FREE TO CONTACT ME AT MY EMAIL JMOSCOVE@AOL.COM"
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You are making a very serious allegation regarding USA. I am sure I am not alone in wanting to get this straightened out. Please provide all the tattoo numbers for all these found dogs you have been contacted about, dates you called USA, and the names of the people you spoke with at USA. Apparently there is a big black hole somewhere and we need to get to the bottom of it.
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THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
AS TO THE SERIES OF EVENTS, FIRST I CALLED CHRIS WHO CALLED ME BACK WITIH THE BREEDER NAME & #
I HAVE E.MAILED USA THEY HAVE NEVER ANSWERED, CALLED BECKY TODAY TO COMPLAIN.
CALLED MANNY THE BREEDER WHO IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO THE OWNER IS NO CALLS BACK.
MOLLY IS NO HELP, ALL SHE ASKS IS WAIT. WE ARE NOT CHARGING A FEE FOR THE REG AND THE DOG IS GOING TO A NICE HOME.
i did not go on this board for your business, do not need your business, but only to genuinely find the owner of a tattooed dog that was called in to us. if the people wanted to keep the dog they could have not even called, but were trying to do the right thing as i am. but intead you INSULT ME FOR MY ATTITUDE, MY BUSINESS WHEN THIS IS THE WORLD WE LIVEIN AND IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR PETS SAFE IF TATTOOED, WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND YOU IF YOUR DOG IS FOUND?
I AM LIVID BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THESE DOGS, YOU DON'T
AND THINK ANYONE CAN JUJST GET THIER DOG BACK. DO THEY WANT THE CORPSE JUST EUTHANIZED? OR THE SHOWDOG NEUTERED AND ADOPTED?
THEY CAN'T GET THEM BACK. SO DO NOT THREATHEN ME WHEN I FIND GOOD HOMES FOR FOUND DOGS THAT THE OWNERS ARE NOT LOOKING FOR.GET A CHIP?
THAT IS WORSE. TAKEN OUT AND FINDERS KEEP THEM,NO SCANNERS TO READ THEM
.HEY ITS YOUR DOGS DO WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU
GOT A PROBLEM CALL: 1 800 828-8667 OR ELSE DO NOT LIKE HODA WRITE FALSE STATEMENTS AND THEN WHEN I RESPOND TO HER LIES AND DEFEND THE BUSINESS YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
HERE, HAVE ANOTHER GSD CALLED IN FROM A ANIMAL CONTROL 4A8XDC3 WHO WANTS TO FIND THE OWNER?
WHO EVER HODA IS GET A LIFE, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS BE MAN ENOUGH
TO CALL NOT HIDE ON PRINT. chris suggested this board to try and find the dog owner
i did not need nor appreciate all you people abuse,
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| Again Julie: Please provide the tattoo numbers, dates you have contacted USA and the names of the people you have contacted. If you are fielding calls on as many as 20 lost dogs a month, who were tattooed and registered through USA, and USA has not provided you with information regarding the breeders on these lost dogs, then there certainly is a major problem. I would think, if your number one concern was the lost dogs, you would want to assist in solving this problem by providing the documentation requested. |
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TO MKING................ I AM PISSED OFF. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, CALL. OTHERWISE KEEP YOU PEN QUIET
WRITING GARBAGE
WAITING FOR AN OWNER TO CALL;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; HOW LONG WOULD YOU LIKE US TO WAIT. WHY DOES NOT THE BREEDER AND TATTOOIST MANNY HAVE THAT INFO? WAITNG 3 DAYS FOR IT.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO FIND THE OWNER.WE ARE AWAITING TO HEAR FROM THE OWNER. IF THE OWNER IS NOT LOOKING FOR HIS DOG AND MANNY DOES NOT TELL ME WHO THE OWNER IS WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO WITH THE DOG. SEND IT TO A POUND AND HAVE IT KILLED? I AM NOT LOOKING TO TAKE THIS DOG AWAY FROM AN OWNER.NO OWNER HAS CLAIMED.
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mking,
Look at the website the OP has posted. You will see she is one and the same....the owner of the outfit. So don't bother calling to complain because she has never had a complaint in 37 years of operation. You would be wasting your breath.
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Julie, how and the hell do you know the owner isn't out of town, out of the country, sick, taking time off work to look for his damn dog, driving miles of circles and stapling fliers to every tree? Maybe that is why he can't be contacted. Maybe the dog was lost/stolen months ago, got away from his captor and picked up by the pound in another state. Owner has given up and thinks the dog is dead? Could be 1000 reasons!!! Doesn't mean if they find out the dog was found, he won't be right there to pick him up. Your already judging the owner, as if they know the dog was found and said screw it, I don't care, keep it.
Bottom line, the owner hasn't been contacted yet, how can you expect a response from someone who hasn't been notified? |
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| Another company trying to make quick buck on someone misfortune. Very reassuring. I will def use your business to register my dogs lmao. Let me guess the dog that you will give away (that is not yours) you will register within your company and charge for it the future new owner? hmmm seems like you after money that's all. |
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One thing to keep in mind, Juliesue has gone out of her way to find the owners of this particular dog who's tattoo is not registered with her company. She could have just as easily told the person who called "sorry, not in my registry", but she didn't, she is going the extra mile to try and reunite this dog with his owner, and I am grateful to her for this.
I think perhaps she is just a little frustrated at not being able to get this taken care of as quickly as it might have been done, had the dog been registered through her agency. Perhaps she spoke a bit hastily and out of anger when she threatened to re-register the dog to the person who found the dog. After all, that would not be the actions of someone who is in the business of reuniting lost dogs with their owners.
Julie I ask that you be patient a little longer, give the breeder time to contact the owner and straighten this out. |
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MY THANKS TO SUEINCC AS BEING THE ONLY INTELLIGENT PERSON ON THIS BOARD TO TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT MY INTENTION TO GO ON THIS BOARD WAS TO
FIND THE OWNER OF THIS DOG.
THESE SHUTZHUND DOGS ARE CALLED IN FOUND FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT
THE US. I COULD EASILY JUST SAY " NO INFO SORRY" BUT HONESTLY WANT IF POSSIBLE TO FIND THE OWNER THAT IS WHAT THE TATTOO IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND I KNOW THEY ARE USA TATTOOS AND TRY TO GET ID'D BUT YOUR ORGANIZATION AND TRACKING DOES NOT MAKE IT EASY AND IN MOST CASES IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. FOR ONE EXCUSE OR ANOTHER."SOME FINDERS ARE TRYING TO RESCUE A SEEMINGLY LOST DOG FROM THE STREET, BUT NEED TO FIND AN OWNER RIGHT AWAY, THEY HAVE NO YARD, HAVE THEIR OWN DOG ETC. THAT IS WHY THEY CALL US AS WE ARE 24HR "LIVE" IF THE OWNERS ARE NOT FOUND THRU US, THEY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO CALL THE ANIMAL CONTROL OR JUST LET IT GO. ( THESE ARE THE HONEST FACTS)
AS A FOOTNOTE, MANNY THE TATTOOER AND BREEDER FINALLY CALLED AND SAID "HE HAS NO RECORD OF THE OWNER"
WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO FROM HERE??????????????????????
I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE OWNERS, BREEDERS, ORGANIZATIONS OF THIS
BREED.ESPECIALLY, MOST OF THE CALLS COME FROM SHELTERS AND ANIMAL CONTROLS
WHO ARE OVERLOADED RECENTLY WITH "FORCLOSURE" STRAYS AND GIVE THESE
DOGS FEW DAYS TO LIVE. BEING LARGE , RESCUES I CALL HAVE WAITING LISTS., AND MOST ARE EUTHANIZED, SADLY. A WASTE TO BEAUTIFUL LOVING DOGS
IF THIS IS YOUR BREED AND IT HAS A TATTOO, I ONLY TRIED TO WARN YOU WHAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE A 99% DOCUMENTED RECOVERY RECORD BECAUSE WE
REALLY CARE, WHEN NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO.
I WENT INTO THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE MY 1ST DOG WAS STOLEN AND I NEVER GOT IT BACK. I WAS TOLD "IF I FOUND MY DOG,HOW COULD I PROVE IT WAS MINE?
ONLY A TATTOO ID WAS ACEPTABLE AT THAT TIME. THUS TATOO A PET WAS BORN. KNOWING THE FEELING OF A LOSS, THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO REUNITE PETS WITH OWNERS TO PREVENT THE TRAGEDY AND LOSS I EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND, MY FIRST INTEREST IS IN THE "DOG" THE OWNER HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CARING FOR THEIR DOG AND IF LOST OR MISSING REPORT IT AND GEUINELY LOOK FOR IT. INTERNET, ADS, LISTINGS, ETC.
NO MATTER HOW LONG OR HOW FAR. PEOPLE WHO GENUINELY LOOK FOR THIER DOGS CAN FIND THEM, THIS DOG WAS FOUND OCTOBER 20,09 AND THE FINDERS (THANK GOODNESS NOT A SHELTER)
DID ALL TO '"DO THE RIGHT THING" IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR DOGS THEN PLEASE SPARE THEM HORRORS THAT CAN BEFALL THEM. IT IS NOT THIER FAULT
IT IS YOURS. HUMANS GAVE THEM LIFE, MADE HI PROFIT- DON'T NOT CARE............
TO THOSE OF YOU WHO PREFER CHIPS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THAT THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL SCANNER, MANY POUNDS DON'T EVEN CHECK, BUT THE MOST DISTURBING PROBLEM IS THAT "FINDERS WHO FIND DOGS AND WANT TO KEEP THEM EASILY CAN. UNLIKE A VISIBLE TATTOO, DO YOU WANT TO CARRY A SCANNER WITH YOU IF YOU "SPOT" YOUR LOST DOG? WHO WILL YOU GET TO COMPEL A PERSON TO HAVE THE DOG SCANNED? POLICE COULDN'T BE BOTHERED AND DON'T CARE. UNLIKE A VISIBLE TATTOO, THE POLICE CAN CALL US AT ANY TIME TO VERIFY OWNERSHIP. IF A PERSON BRINGS IN A DOG TO A VET AS "THEIR PET" FOR PRIVACY REASONS A VET WILL NOT SCAN IT. HONEST FINDERS TRYING TO FIND AN OWNER AND SCAN MIGHT GET NO READINGS AT ALL FOR MANY REASONS. (WRONG SCANNER,MIGRATION ETC. SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SAFE A TAG IS BEST BUT IT CAN BE REMOVED. ALSO DON'T PUT YOUR DOGS NAME ON YOUR TAG AS IT MAKES IT EASIER TO KEEP IT..
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A simple question,
If no one claims the dog, what happens next?
Without the bold type.
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Ok Julie, I have tried to be quiet about the whole thing but now I can't. Maybe, you are purposely misrepresenting the case here. I am going to tell it now from my point of view, and I am sure that Molly will agree with me. Both, Molly and I are keeping the email correspondence with you and Schutzhund USA in case that there will be a legal challenge as you are threatening that the dog will be signed over to the finder. I don't know how you think that you have the right to do that.
1) You called our house on November 10 and spoke to my husband about this found dog. Why us? My husband is still listed as a USA-registered tattooer even though he is not anymore (we ended our club affiliation this January and will also end our USA-membership). If you looked on the tattooer list on the USA website, why did you pick us? I would really like to know.
2) Since you could not tell my husband much more than that a male dog was found in the Northeast Section with the tattoo No. AI8CPA4, I decided to call you back when I got home from work. I wanted to be helpful, even though it was clearly not one of my dogs. It was clearly difficult to talk to you because you rant and holler, pretty much in the same fashion as your emails. I could not get any more information out of you than my husband but I promised that I would post the little info I had on the PDB here and one other board and email you the links to it. (Guys, sorry it is my fault that she is on here yelling at all of us, lol). Now, I have a question: If you pride yourself on locating lost pets, why don't you have more info on this particular dog? Like, where exactly was he found and when? Who is the finder? Contact info? If I was to pay for your services, I would expect all that info available to me when looking for my lost pet.
3) At the same time I posted the information here, I also contacted Molly in her capacity as regional Breed Warden about this case. She promised me to contact Schutzhund USA and kept me informed about her whole exchange with the USA registration department. USA replied promptly next morning on November 11. My question to you now is: How come you could not get a reply out of them? Which email did you use to contact them? And why did you not call them on the phone like you called our house? This should be part of your service you offer.
4) We found the breeder (or we thought we did), I called him, and told him about the dog.I sent you an email with the contact info as well. You talked to him, after ranting that he was not available immediately (you know people do have a life outside the house - like a job or need to go shopping, etc.).
5) Molly and I both thought that this mess is now behind us. Instead you ranted on here that Manny is not forthcoming with the info you need to locate the owner. So, I emailed Manny again to see what was going on. Manny replied that he has no record of such a dog with the above tattoo No. and that most likely the digits were misread. So, now obviously the ball is in your court to get more info from the finder, like the correct No. to investigate the matter further. |
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So Julie, why in all the world are you here ranting how terrible USA, the owners and breeders are? You alienate everybody here with your rantings in colored bold caps which means intense yelling on the internet.
I am sure that you have a dog's best interest in mind, but you really need to change your tone. It is easier to catch flies with honey you know. It is also obvious that you wish to push people into your services but I personally think that people do not like to be bullied like this. I don't!! I also do not appreciate being called names after I offered my help and did what I could in this matter. So, please refrain from sending me any more emails or pm! If you have lost and found dogs again, please contact the USA office by using their official phone number during normal business hours for their time zone and/or use the correct email address (like we did). And most importantly: Treat people you wish to ask for help and/or recruit with the respect and politeness you would want for yourself as well. That goes a long way!
Have a great Sunday!
Chris |
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Sadly, if one reads the rant above, one realizes, once again, that it REALLY IS NOT about the dog for Julie. It is about promoting her business. I too have ALWAYS found the office staff of USA immediately accessible if I had a lost dog with a tattoo, or, for that matter, had any question they could answer. Julies' claims about contacting them with the myriad of lost, tattooed dogs, does not ring true.
If she really cared about the dog, rather than thinking she was boosting her business by coming here and ranting, she would, as Chris notes above, have provided all information here. She would have called USA. The fact that it may be that the tattoo is illegible and a digit or letter incorrectly read demonstrates the point that tattoos are often unreliable.
The fact that she wants to make idiotic claims about shelters not scanning, cops not willing to carry a scanner etc., again demonstrates a complete lack of understanding, or a deliberate attempt to fool people.
I don't know of a single shelter in my state, for example, that does not immediately scan dogs received. Vets who insert chips also have scanners. While it is true that there are a few problems with the older scanners not being able to read and provide a number from the chip, almost all indicate a chip is there. Further, newer scanners often read all chip varieties and scanners are becoming much cheaper, and much smaller so they are easy to carry.
Posting the information about where the dog was found, when etc. Julie would do a lot more than your rants here. Your lack of ability to write the language does not help either. Your attitude here is exactly that of the complaints I have received in years past when people called you to ask for help. Just because you say you are so successful doesn't make it true. There are many things that the people who have the dog can do to see that the dog has every chance of being reunited with its' rightful owner. I am not convinced you have, in good faith, advised them of the things they could do to help the dog. After all, if they are "falling in love with the dog", then if they really have done all they can after a time period, then yes, they can let the shelters in the area know as well (with a photo) that they have the dog and keep the dog until and unless the real owner should show up.
Do the right thing Julie and stop all your rantings here. You will gain more business showing you are ethical than threatening to keep the dog when it is clear not everything that could be done to rehome the dog has been done.
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This chick strikes me as a PETA nutcase, to frazzled in the mind to speak clear english and post all the facts. The facts are scrammbled in that head and who knows what is true and what just sounds good?
Oh the poor dog and eeks the damn owner for not wanting him back and for not turning the world upside down to find him.
Don't we have a recent thread about a dog that was reunited after months lost? Shit happens, people pick up dogs found on roadways and drive them out of state. Others who pick up aren't looking for owners, they want the dog. Happened to me.
It's as easy as forgetting to update your new phone # and address when you move, be it tattoo reg, micro chip or tags on a collar, you won't get a call and the road dead ends when the breeder or vet is contacted and doesn't know where the owner moved.
Talking so callusly about a owner/breeder is pretty out there when you don't know them or the circumstances. These people could be in tears still looking, this dog could be from TX and picked up by a truck driver on an interstate, for all we know. How about being a real help and posting pics of this dog and hopefully someone will recognize him? A male GSD is far from descript. Size, color, age, real tattoo #'s would help. How about we get it together and put some real info out there, instead of out of control ranting??? |
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A COPY OF THE E.MAILS (2) THAT WERE SENT TO USA ON THIS DOG WERE RESENT TO THEM POSTMARKED THE 10TH OF NOVEMBER. (THEY NEVER ANSWERED) ADDRESS CORRECT I NEVER GOT A NON DELIVERY( WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND THEM TO ANY ONE'S EMAIL FOR VERIFICATION) CHRIS'S # WAS CALLED AS HE WAS THE CLOSEST TATTOOIST I FOUND. IN THE NE AREA OF THE FOUND DOG, I CALLED OTHERS WHO NEVER RETURNED CALLS.
CALLED USA OFFICE THE 11TH THEY WERE NOT IN. SHAME WE OPERATE 24/7 7 ALL HOLIDAYS.
THE TATTOO # IS ACCURATE,,,, NO ERROR. VERIFIED BY A VET
MANNY FINALLY CALLED SAT THE 14TH. SAID HE COULD NOT FIND THAT RECORD, CLAIMS IT IS NOT HIS TATTOO.
HODIE IS A BULLY, AND PRIVATE MESSAGES WERE SENT TO ME WITH THAT FACT IT IS HER NORMAL PRACTICE.
IF A PET IS FOUND AND WE LOCATE AN OWNER, THEY ARE TOLD WHERE TO FIND THIER DOG.
WE DO NOT GIVE FINDER INFO TO ANYONE WILL AKC REVEAL AN OWNER OF A DOG? I KNOW THEY DO NOT.
THIS EXPERIENCE TO TRY AND FIND THIS DOGS OWNER HAS BEEN HORRIBLE AND I WILL NOT WASTE MY PRECIOUS TIME AGAIN.........................................................
THERE ARE SOME NICE COMMENTS I RECIEVED PERSONALLY BY PHONE AND PRIVATE POSTS, THAT I FEEL
WILL NOT GO UNAPRECIATED BY THOSE WHO ARE OF A HIGHER INTELLIGENTS THAN HODIE AND MOLLY
WHO I AM TOLD ARE BULLLIES AND TRY THIS ON ALL NEW POSTERS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT I USE ALL CAPITALS , SORRY IT IS EASIER FOR ME , NORMALLY MY SECRETARY WOULD BE DOING THIS BUT SHE IS SICK WITH THE FLU.
I FELT THIS WAS IMPORTANT HOWEVER TO DO IT MYSELF.
NEXT TIME I GET A USA DOG, LETS SEE HOW FAST MOLLY CAN FIND THE OWNER AND AGAIN THE USA
AGAIN, MAYBE I SHOULD NOT EVEN BOTHER, IT IS A BAD SYSTEM YOU HAVE DONE WITH THESE DOGS AS YOU REALLY ONLY WANT THE TATTOO'S FOR SHOW.PURPOSES.
ENJOY, LETS HEAR YOUR RANTS. I AM NOT INTERESTED ANY MORE LUCKY HAS A WONDERFUL LOVING HOME, AND THAT IS ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT.
BYE
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"YOU REALLY ONLY WANT THE TATTOO'S FOR SHOW.PURPOSES.", says Juliesue. Oh good to know, if this is true, then most here don't need to tattoo their dog at all it seems since most people here don't show their dogs. What a whack job. You did not answer the questions put to you. I seriously doubt that you get as many dogs with USA tattoos (and since no one ever answers from USA you cannot even be sure they are USA tattoos) each week. USA members rarely loose their dogs.
Oh yes, something that you might want to learn too......emails not delivered don't always get the sender a notification. Sometimes they just disappear into cyberland.....maybe someplace you should check out. All of the people reading this will know that Tattoo-a-Pet will NOT make appropriate efforts to rehome your dog should it get lost. They will not notify the shelters, put up posters, place ads in newspapers etc. However, if Julie wants to, she will just give the dog to whomever, whether they have the experience or home situation that is required to have such a dog.
As I said, make sure your contact information is correct with the bona-fide organizations. Other organizations WILL put you in touch with the rightful owner of the dog should you find one who is lost.
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Who can even READ all this screaming???? Wow.
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I too can't keep up with it all, but I did glaze over the last few posts and 4pack brought up a very important point.
Correct and complete info, dates and places, photos, correct description.
If your trying to find a dog or an owner these things might come in handy, especially good photos and relevant facts.
Just a thought.
Moons. |
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What a romper room. It sounds to me the finders wanna keep the dog.
All this BS about finding the owner and no photo's or Tattoo number attatched to this thread ?
Is Tattoo a Pet really doing everything they can to find the owner of this dog ? Or just making a fuss publically to say they tried to find the owner.. when the owner indeed turns up ?
/quote/ ** I WANT TO ASSURE ALL OF YOU THAT IF YOUR PET IS FOUND AND YOU CAN NOT BE FOUND, AN OWNER CAN BE GIVEN OWNERSHIP OF THE DOG, OR IT CAN BE EUTHANIZED IN A FACILITY OR EVEN GO TO A LAB FOR RESEARCH.
/quote/ ** MY FIRST INTEREST IS IN THE "DOG"
How ironic.
... sooo if your interest is in finding the owners of this dog ... please post your advert links from local newpapers as most if not all local papers publish "found" animals for FREE. You also get FREE airtime on local AM radio hosts.
You act like everyone is online on demand nawadays.
What's the tattoo number of this dog, discription and location .... I'll call it in to the local news paper and radio myself.
Conclusion ... ALWAYS Register your dog Tattoo and Chip number with your county via the State Dog License and Treasury !!!!!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/341713.html << related link
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