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These happened before 9am this morning!!!! (64 replies)
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This is just today before 9am Mountain Time....Breeders beware, you are producing too many dogs out there....please cut back!!!!!
#1. (MT, email) I have 2 registered german shehpereds that I need to fnd homes for. Please contact me at ___-___-____, Thanks, Ed
#2. (MT, phone call) Hi, I got your name from ______ I have a purebred female, that I have had since she was a pup, not spayed, 6 yrs old that is getting too protective of my kids and we are now gone alot for the kids' tennis tournaments, we are keeping the male that we got from the same breeder because he is more laid back. We only had one litter of pups from the 2 of them and gave them away, because she had such good bloodlines, and I paid $1500 for her, and shipped them in from Oklahoma, no she is not spayed because I thought someone might want her to breed.....(found out she was bought on a limited registration)...
I contacted the breeder and thank God she is willing to take her back. But can't fly her because the heat is 101 degrees down there, in Oklahoma.
Then I looked at her website and she is having 2 more litters in August...!!!!!
And 3 more purebreds coming in next week, because I am too full again, to get them this week...
Steph
Montana GSD Rescue
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| to them all dogs are disposable..........grrrrrrrrrr! |
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| Meanwhile everyone continues to make puppies.... and the band plays on.... |
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Hey Guys,
I am really getting frustrated, I am trying to save all these German Shepherds from being PUT TO SLEEP...the breeders don't care, why should I???
I love this breed and I feel for everyone of them, is why I am having trouble saying NO...as soon as most of the shelters get them they get put down, because most of them do not show well in cages...they get barky and guardy!!! Then they call me sometimes to get them out, because they know that I have a very good success ratio with them...but I can't do this alone!!!!
I need help from you breeders out there...people don't give a shit about the limited registration, all that does is get them pups without papers, but they are PUREBRED!!!!
I am getting burned out, there are not many people looking for older dogs right now, they all want puppies and then give them up when they get to be 6 months to 2 yrs old....not trained of course...I have 2 in right now that are one yr old and haven't hardly had a leash on them, left outside in the yard to be yard ornaments...unruly, idiots that I am trying to train!!!!
I am feeding all these dogs out of my pocket and sometimes get a good adoption fee on the young ones, to help de-fray costs...I spay/neuter them etc.,...
I don't think I will be doing this much longer, now I know why most rescue groups give up within a couple of years. They get burned out and can't get ahead of the game....
HELP!!! HELP!!! HELP!!!!
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Some of these breeders might act more responsibly, if the public knew the names of those whose dogs had to be rescued, because the breeders would not act responsibly. |
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| Should I put the names on here??? I thought that was a no no...I would gladly do it... |
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Wow........ , or should it be  |
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These 2 dogs are from a breeder in Texas, 1 yr old and killing his goats on his ranch and he won't keep them kenneled all the time...duh!!!
Just talked to him, he is going to check the kennel name and get back to me....Steph |
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OH YEH!!! AND HE BOUGHT THEM TO BREED AND MAKE MORE!!!!!
DIFFERENT PEDIGREES FROM SAME BREEDER....
S#@&!!!! |
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| You mean the stupid excuse for a human being doesn't even know what KENNEL he got the dogs from??? |
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SUPRISE SUPRISE SUPRISE!!!!!! AS GOMER PYLE WOULD SAY!!!!! |
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"SOME BEEE",
NOW THE DAM IS 2 IN MAY AND THE SIRE IS 18 MONTHS AND COME TO FIND OUT THEY JUST HAD A LITTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.....AWWWWWWW!!!!! SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
BERNELL AND WINTERS IN TEXAS; NAMES ON PEDIGREE, I NEED TO DO SOME CHECKING AND SCREAMING!!!!! |
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| Thanks for all you do Steph. I almost can't read these posts anymore, they are making me so mad! I was walking one of my girls last week and ran into some people that wanted to pet my dog. I let them, as my dog loves people. One of the guys said he never see's GSD's out and about anymore. One of the gals with him said, "she did" She worked in a shelter in Seattle, and that's where she saw them!!! ............ |
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I know, alot of my dogs come all the way from Seattle, to Montana, they end up biting someone and the people can't adopt them out in Washington, so they come here I fix them and re-adopt them out...
I have made many trips all the way to Seattle to get some of the dogs, cause they are too old or too nervy...the local rescues can't take those...
I am getting soooooo tired!!!! I can't take much more people...I am going to blow a cork here pretty soon.... |
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POST THE NAMES . IF SOME ONE BREEDS THEM AND THEY RUN INTO A PROBLEM THE BREEDER SHOULD TAKE BACK THE DOG . THE PROBLEM GETS A LITTLE TO MUCH TO HANDLE SOME TIMES WHEN THE DOG COMES BACK FULL GROWN AND ABUSED . POST THE BREEDERS NAMES WHO WONT TAKE BACK A GOOD DOG . I M NOT SURE WHAT THE BREEDERS SHOULD DO WITH THE ONES PEOPLE MAKE DANGEROUS . BITCH SLAP THE OWNER I GUESS . I FEEL YOUR PAIN KRAZY BOUT K9s.
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Email from the owner of the pair....
"Attached is the Pedigree for the dogs. They are both beautiful sweet dogs, thank you for considering taking them and finding good homes.
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If they are so sweet why don't they keep them and train them??? I heard puppies in the background still. Maybe they are keeping one or 2 of them and getting rid of the parents...should be seeing those in a year or so...
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Ole Mr WInters is quite a breeder in Mexia..he has over 46 dogs, maybe more..I talked to him two years ago when his wife left him...remember I am single..he wanted to take me to dinner....ha ha ha...we talked for several weeks and it was a laugh......the stories I heard his site.. Give me a minute and I will post it for all of you to do your own judging...he buys and sells at the Pearland Flea Market and he travels has a line of BS three miles long...He actually sells a lot of german shepherds including white ones...
Welcome To Winter Star K9 Kennels!! By Griz SonByGrizz.jpg Where ...Welcome To Winter Star K9 Kennels!! By Griz SonByGrizz.jpg. Where Your AKC German Shepherd Star Awaits. We would like to introduce you to our many stars and ...
www.winterstark9.com / - Cached - Similar
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I will edit my post in a few...got to go to my BIG BOOK......Doppledehaus also told me about Mr. Winters...he filled in the missing links for me....
WinterStar Kennels <- Puppies Available Now! More Info. Breed: German Shepherd. Location: Mexia, Texas 76667 (United States). Description: AKC German line. ...
www.pupcity.com/puppies-for.../german-shepherd.asp?... - Cached - Similar
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Another puppy mill breeder...S@#^%!!!!
I don't think I want to send these dogs back to the breeder...
http://www.winterstark9.com/index.html
_________stands 33" tall and weighs in at 125#'s, in breeding condition. With his large head and heavy bone he could weigh much more.
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Not everyone can take in and adopt a rescue but it might be helpful to send a donation to Steph to defray some of the costs. Steph, why don't you post your address in case anyone is interested. Donations of dog food are another possibility.
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My point is it should not be put upon your emotions to have to decide what to do with these dogs KBk9s. I still vote for THE BITCH SLAP ! I SQUEEZE A RESCUE IN WHEN I CAN. I CRY ABOUT IT . I JUST CAN NOT KEEP ANY MORE DOGS AT THIS TIME . I STILL HAVE ONE I NEED TO PLACE. I JUST PLACED ONE .I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO OWNED THE DOG BEFORE IT GOT HERE . THE DOG HATED ME IT SCARED ME HALF TO DEATH ALL DAY GROWLING AT ME . I THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE TO BE PTS  .HE FOUND A HOME HE CAN GET ALONG IN . ATLEAST FOR NOW .
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do it privately by pming....never post anything personal on this forum unless you want to stay up all night answering phone calls from jerks and trolls and perverts...
do it by email so you have a trail to where you are giving your address..
.we have some hateful people reading these forums and they reek havoc on innocent good breeders and people....
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Anyone can go to my website and donate by PayPal, thanks by the way if you do or pm me and I will send it...dog food is great...it is getting to be alot lately....darn...
Thanks for all your support everyone...There are days I want to quit, I feel hopeless...
Steph
www.montanagsdrescue.org
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Steph,
Cheesey Fries! What a mess. Poor Steph, you do so much and get so little help. Hang in there, take a moment to put your feet up and drink some wine. Chill baby, chill! The poor GSDs out there need you and others like you. And feel free to do as wuzzup suggests...bitch slap 'em when they need it. You have our permission...and imagine how good it will feel. Oh, and definitely post the offender's names. If it is the truth they can't do anything about it. Come on folks, dig deep and get her some money to help defray the costs she is bearing while cleaning up what we can't do ourselves.
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I agree with Yellowrose: DO NOT POST PERSONAL INFORMATION. Get a post office box, or private box office box at UPS or something and post that. There are lots of people on this forum who would be only too happy to send you donations to help with the work you do for our breed. Work, I might add, that most of the rest of us have neither the time, inclination, or temperament to do.  I know I don't--I would bitch slap a few of these breeders!! |
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Alot of people should never have animals! I see it everyday and it sickens me! I wish I had the room and the funds to be a rescue...but I don't.
Steph, I pm'd you.
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Steph, bless you for all you do to help GSDs. There are breeders who care- I require in my contract that a dog be returned to me before being relinquished to a shelter or rescue. My next litter I will chip as well as tattoo (I've only tattooed in the past) my pups so they can always be traced back to me. I don't care if the dog 10 and a biter, I'll take it back. It's my responsibility.
I have a client who only rescues senior dogs, particularly dogs who have not been well cared for- overweight, bad teeth, heart and other health issues. He spends a fortune putting them through rehab, chiro, etc., and has put several extra happy years on elderly dogs and makes their golden years their best ones. He loves GSDs, so if you ever get an "oldie but goodie" who will get along with other dogs, small ones especially, PM me.
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My contract says same thing...I get first bid and the dog cannot be sold , transferred or euthanized without my written permission...I have taken back 4 males that I did resell and one, Laredo , that is for sale now....from men and women who lost jobs, got divorced and had to move where dog could not go...
.I have been lucky and one LADY last year got mad because I wouldn't let her give it away.....and then there was the one I rescued from THE LITTLE OLE SHACK BY THE RAILROAD TRACK AND THIS IS HER WITH BLAIZE IN A LITTLE OLE TOWN IN SOUTH TEXAS.
Some may remember I discovered her tied with a chain in weeds and someone beating her with a tire tube....Blaize is first and Chelsey is next to him...they are both sitting here beside the computor right now as my son is here for a quick visit.......crutches and all....
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Steph,
I applaud all that you do for the breed...
I made you a promise with Oakley, and I will give her a good home until death do us part. She's doing spectacularly, knows the place like it's been home forever, and we're doing great. I do lots of socialization, and we are always working with obedience and things...I'm proud to report that so far, we have NO BAD HABITS. Of course, if one should develop, I am more than equal to the task of working through it. Easier, though, just to not get them in the first place.
God, it's so sickening to read the posts like the one above..Three messages in one morning!!
Why the hell not invest in a little bit of obedience training, and behavior modification, instead of dumping the dogs in rescue? There was an absolutely gorgeous GSD in the local animal shelter about two weeks ago..Good candidate for a new home, friendly even in a cage, but still, purebred, beautiful dog, young...Probably no major bad habits besides chewed on things, or maybe a digger, but in the shelter nonetheless.
I've seen the silly reasons people put dogs in the shelter...worked there for a summer, and Lord knows, so many who get animals have no right to have them. Sickening. Totally sickening. Get a dog for a pet, spay it. Don't let it breed.
We just spayed our little border mix on Monday, no puppies, no additional burden to the shelter system. Oakley is, of course, already spayed. Our cat is even spayed.
People need to be more responsible, and so do shelters. It's becoming a nightmare to get a dog from most rescues and shelters. People go to breeders, too many of which are all too happy to sell them a puppy, and no education. Maybe if shelters could somehow do a training class with all new owners, to teach them to handle basic obedience, behavioral issues, and things like that...But it would cost too much, and no one wants to pay for it...
Crys
This is Oakley yesterday...She's doing wonderfully...A rescue sucess...
(rare, non teepee ears picture)
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| I'll hold 'em down, you guys do the bitch slapping. |
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I do breed, but I also let it be known that I will ALWAYS take a puppy/dog back. I also have in my contract that I get first right to buy the animal back if they want to sell it or that I will help rehome the animal.
I am also VERY picky about the homes my puppies go to. I have turned down many homes because I didn't think they were suitable. This often leads to anger from the person I turn away, but I don't care. I'd rather anger a few people now rather than have to take back a dog that is untrained, aggressive, etc.
It is a very wonderful thing you do. I'd happily adopt from you if you weren't so far away. We can't ship here either with the heat at the moment.
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The first one that called this am, was the 6 yr old dog from Valiantdale Kennels in Oklahoma, I called the breeder and asked if she took her dogs back, she said yes it was in her contract and she sold the dog on a limited registration. WEll they never sent in the registration papers even... The people called me instead of the breeder. They are in Montana and she is in Oklahoma...how would she ever know if they sold it or gave it away. Then she said it was the responsibility of the people to return it, yeh right, she is going on vacation next week and they need to get rid of it now....suddenly after 6 yrs...they have plans, so what do I do??? Try to do what is best for the dog and get it out of the situation and get it fixed, no good bloodlines anyhow...before she has another litter, like they already have had with her...or let them dump it at a pound and get PTS???
BTW: I do have a PO BOX already. I have been single way too long to ever have had a physical address...LOL....
Montana GSD Rescue
PO Box 1895
Hamilton, MT 59840
Thanks Everyone,for the support, the day started out really depressing and ended up okay. Just got home, drove another 3 hours to pick up a dog going to Canada this weekend...another coming back that has Pannus, because the wife is developing allergies to the dog...sweet 4 yr old female, plush coat...
Kczaja: I started out taking only the old and dysplastic dogs no-one wanted and let them live their life out here...then more started coming in and now it has ballooned to this...
I lost my older dogs last summer, 3 in one summer...tough. Best Friends of Utah also send me all their older GSD dogs..There is one up in the Kalispell Shelter that I dont' have room to get out right now. She is 8 or so and a total sweetheart...I told the gal I would find room somehow next week...she has been there several months already...luckily they don't kill alot of dogs..
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Oh yeh!!!
I forgot about the 2 that I put through chemotherapy for cancer...One of them came from Waldberg Kennels in Washington State and for the life of me I can't remember where the other one was from...too many dogs the last couple of years...
Waldberg wouldn't answer my emails or phone calls about his dog...I still have the registration paper on her...she was only 3 yrs old when she got the mandibular lymphoma...finally had her lymph nodes taken out...
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Oh, if I could only meet these people in a dark alley with one of my dogs!! I could change him from a rooster to a capon in one full bite!!
I breed a litter from time to time. I do have criteria...breed healthy dogs, good temperments, match to the right people in good, responsible homes, and the dogs can come back to me .....no questions asked. The bitch you see in the picture, Draze, was sold at 7 wks. old. The man had good intentions, came to training about two months, then life got in the way. I recieved a call just before Draze's 3rd birthday. Would I take her back? Absolutely!! I picked her up the next day. About 15 pounds under weight, hadn't seen a brush, dog aggressive, people aggressive, destroyed crates, messed in crate when couldn't escape, screamed all night(in the barn.....poor horses!!). Then I gave her a job!! I now adore this dog. She is not the same dog I brought back home. She is an absolute genius...not only in my opinion. If a dog comes back to me...it does not leave. Just what works for me.... |
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The People paid $2000 for this dog as a breeder...note what the papers say....this is the one that got cancer and the breeder refused to answer me...email or phone calls...
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Now I am getting nasty, I had better go to bed!!!!
Night guys,
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Etta coming in today, I have to get her out of her jail cell, she has been in way too long...Any takers????
Impound date- 6/1/09
German Shepherd Color: black/silver
Female spayed, 8 yrs.
OWNER TURN IN
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Shy and reserved, Etta's best suited to an adult home. She is social with other quiet dogs and will be a rewarding companion with extra love, grooming and attention. She is a very sweet dog, may have some hip dysplaia.
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Bitch slap em .
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| Steph, rottie rescue in Los Angeles, CA. When they put a dog on the web site, if they know the breeder, they put the breeders name right there with the dog, and will state they contacted breeder for assistnce>to no avail. Some of Beverly's comments are down right funny about some of the breeders. |
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Steph, can you tell me more about the Valliantdale dog? I might be interested!
I'd like to know bloodlines and colour. A lot of her dogs are on the database here, so you may be able to link the ancestors.
A dream of mine may be coming true soon, which means I will have room for more dogs! 
Edited to add: Is that the Valliantdale dog (Emma)? They specialize in black and silver. Afraid it wouldn't work then. My female is very domineering! Sometimes my 80 lb. male has to put her in her place. |
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I just want to add, that I know there are a LOT of breeders that shouldn't be breeding. ie....not taking back unwanted dogs, etc. And I know there are a lot of people who should NOT be buying these dogs to begin with. And this is just so sad. I again, thank and bless you Steph for all you do.
BUT..........I also know that there a ton of us crazy dog people too, who rearrange our lives for our dogs ! We change vehicles 3 times to accommodate our dogs' needs. I finally ended up with a minivan so my previous dogs who had knee and hip surgeries could get in better. God knows, a minivan was the last vehicle on my list of wants!! Thats for "soccer moms!!"" But, I'm a dog mom, I guess! When it was time for new carpeting in my house, guess what? I shopped for a color that matched the dog hair!! (didn't work though........) I rearranged my schedules so that I could give medication to my previous epileptic dog and found family members to come do it when I absolutely couldn't. My vacations revolve around dog shows. Out of town relatives ask if I will come visit. I look to she if there is a trial in that town at the time!! When shopping for clothes, I am constantly wondering if that outfit would go good with my dog in the ring. Today I drove WAY out of my way to buy my specific brand of dog food, because my store (which is a ways away too) was out............The list goes on and on. I just wish there were more people like me and all of my dog club friends. Or, just don't buy the darn dog to begin with. What are they thinking?...................
Thanks for letting me ramble..............
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Doggie,
Great idea, I love it I think I will try that when get a known breeder, unfortunately most of them are backyard breeders and I am not the best with words...just got done doing some horse fencing, it is hot out, and beer:30....
Got the 2 dogs from the Winters StarK9, the male is actually not bad, nice looking sable but scared out of his wits,,,he got adopted yesterday about 3 hours after he arrived, will go home next weekend...after neutering.
I feel so sorry for the supposedly sable female, she is white with tons of biscuit to me....and she is registered, go figure...
I will get some photos this afternoon..
The older girl Etta, is the sweetest dog, loving attention and so happy she is out of jail. Absolutely beautiful dog...will get better photos of her also...
Sunsilver, the Valiante dog is a bi- color, black and tan, very small cheek patch, dusting of tan on legs. He is going to go onto the website and see if he remembers the sire and dam...he refused to ship the dog back to Oklahoma, but will release her to me, so either the breeder is going to have to get her from me or someone else will have to get her from me...she sounds like a real she devil watch dog...very athletic and energtic...6 yrs,. old
Thanks for rambling RoZo- more people need to listen, unfortunately the people I deal with do not come to this site...
Later guys, going out to get some photos,,,Steph |
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OH BOY!!!!
Getting in a one year old jet black male on Tuesday am...will send photos...lol
Shelter called me to take him...
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Not surprised: the owner of Valiantdale does Schutzhund with her dogs. You may have a pretty decent dog there. She started out in the 60's with Longworth, Cosalta, Busecker Schloss and Lierberg lines, and has chosen her lines very carefully ever since, avoiding anything to do with Lance and his progeny.
http://www.valiantdale.com/history.aspx
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WolfGang, 1 yr old male coming in Tuesday..
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Sunsilver,
So what do I do??? He won't pay $600, or anything, to ship the dog back to Oklahoma, if I dont' take her he will dump her at the pound...where she will get PTS, because she is too guardy...
He said he didn't know that she took her dogs back...
Kathy Watson-Valiantdale is on vacation for a week so I can't get ahold of her...
So I will take her in and Kathy will have to get her from me, this is one problem of shipping dogs, if they don't work out,,,the new owner will not pay to ship the dog back...so they get dumped, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE, EVEN WITH THE GOOD BREEDERS....
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| I hear your frustration, Steph. I'm sorry. I wish I could do more to help. |
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What color would you classify this bitch as??? She is registered sable...sweet dog... 2 yrs old....Steph
This was one of the 2 from WinterStarK9's
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Sherman "Tank" 17 months,,from WinterStarK9-ADOPTED-YEH!!!!!
Etta, 8+ yr old, owner brought in to Put To Sleep...
Loves to retrieve....needs a bath, brushing, worming and some gooooood food....
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Steph, thank you for what you do. I am writing your name in my checkbook and as soon as I am back to work will send you some $ to help. The kennel I worked for let me go and I know for a fact that he refuses to take dogs back in cases where the owner cannot keep them after a 72 hour window. Thank God for people like you to make up for the breeders like him. Wishing you the best. |
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Man oh Man....
wish I would have found your site when I purchased a dog from James WInters (winterstar kennels) last november. After 2 years of waiting for a puppy, (our beloved Joey passed @13yrs and couldn't bear to get another) we brought home a white german shepherd from the kennels in Mexia for our son on christmas eve. The next day the puppy had runny stool, and was The second day he wasn't doing well at all. At that time we took him to the vet again, and the vet informed us he had a staph infection and demodex mites all over him. He had had a lesion erupt on the top of his head. The vet said the puppy was in poor health and needed to be put down, as a puppy that down and out that early was probably not going to be healthy. The kennels he came from were definitely filthy, and we just wanted to give him a good home. We called Mr Winters and told him of our situation, and he advised that the puppy was just stressed from the ride home (a 5 hr drive). I told him the vet wanted us to put him down, and we didn't feel comfortable keeping the puppy. He said at that time he wouldn't take the puppy back! Even though stated in our "contract" that if the puppy was found to be unhealthy within 72 hours we could return him. He even had the nerve to tell me that "you have to spend some money to keep a dog." I told him it wasn't the money, it was that we didn't want to get attached to a dog that was going to be possibly pagued by illness. I called him numerous times for the next few months, and same old song and dance.
Here we are 11 months later... with a loving wonderful shepherd that is half bald, needs cream applied to him every day, baths every two days. we are probably going to have him put down because he itches himself to death. Nothing has worked. Pills, baths, dips , injections, antibiotics. Boy did we spend some "money" to keep a dog". We even found out he needed surgery for his undescended testicle, wich we had performed asap in hopes it would help is autoimmune condition.
I hope someone makes a website that you can track breeders, like the Better Business Br for dogs. I am sick to my stomach thinking about how my wife and I were just waiting for the right dog, after Joey. My 9 year old son loves him so much too, and loves to play fetch with him. We have become really attached to him, and hate to let him go. I am afraid we'll have to. Sorry I am venting, but I just hate that my wife and son have to go through this because of someone that doesn't really seem to care. |
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| Steph....my best to you. I'd donate, except that then I'd have to ask for even more donations myself. It's bad out here in CA too. Keep it up, but remember, we can only do what we can, and that ain't never everything... |
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| wgstexas, have you tried ivermectin? |
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I have been doing GSD rescue for more than 15 years now. Just this week I have received 3 emails and two phone calls asking me to take dogs. Today one email was from one woman who has two 9 year old GSDs who "must remain together" as she put it. Fat chance! She will be lucky to find anyone who will take the dogs at their age (she has a valid reason for needing to give the dogs up). Further, she has compromised the adoptability of the dogs, even if they were younger, by never socializing them, not keeping up on vet care and tolerating behavioral problems.
Nothing has changed in all these years in my state. I thought I could make a difference, and perhaps I did for those individual dogs I helped, but the number I could not help was at least triple the number I did help (around 550). Steph, nothing will change no matter how long you work at it or give it your all. It is a fact. So you have to figure out what you really can and cannot do. I have now had to terminate accepting other dogs because I cannot pay for taking other people's dogs when I can barely make ends meet (and that is not actually happening) and take care of the dogs I have, not to mention myself. I recently did accept a young GSD, but that is it. I have three other rescues here who I have been unable to place.
Most reasons people gave for wanting to dump a dog over those 15 years were lame as hell. I will say that in the past year I hear from a slightly higher percentage of people needing to give up their dogs because of economics, loosing their job, having to move into an apartment because they lost their home to foreclosure, illness etc. Further, if any of you go to any shelter, you will see hundreds of unwanted dogs. The shelter in my own area has a daily load of well over 300 dogs, and this is only a relatively small to medium sized city.
Steph, what I can tell you is that you must set limits and you have to harden your heart a bit, regardless of how difficult that is. Most of us do not have endless resources. For example, I have never taken old dogs since I took one several times and was unable to adopt it out. Those dogs died with me, and even putting them down cost me a small fortune. I don't take dogs who have bitten someone or killed another animal or who have serious behavioral problems. When someone contacts me, I tell it like it is, and I try hard to make them think twice about what they are doing and NOT give the dog up. I offer really cheap training assistance or free help in such situations, but all too often the person simply wants to get rid of the dog.
But the bottom line is that the real problem lies in the overbreeding of dogs, regardless of breed, or the quality of dogs involved. A lot of you reading this will try to tell me it is rare that a well bred dog comes to the attention of a rescue group or ends up in a rescue or shelter. That is pure BS. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been contacted by people who own a dog from good bloodlines and often, they had paid a lot of money for the dog. All too often, the breeder is simply willing to sell the dog because, in the end, it is about the money.
Every single person who says they care about the breed should be minimizing the number of litters they produce in their lifetime, regardless of what quality your dogs are. Every single person who says they care about the breed should have to put dogs down because they have medical conditions or behavioral problems that cannot be handled or will take resources that are not available. And every single person who says they care about the breed should find a shelter or a rescue and support it, not once, just when you read something like this thread or hear about some terrible situation. I see it all the time here and on other forums. People get all excited, say they will do something (and often don't) and then forget all about it.
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wgstexas" : Next time don't buy a german shepherd with your HEART try your brain....I found out all about MR> WINTERS> He has more bull than Carters has LIVER PILLS>>>
Sorry but his place is rancid...and dirt and nasty...he is as bad...
You will not be able to heal that dog..his health and immune system is bred inbred and inbred again....Many know what he does..I do not know what county he is in legally but he needs shut down like so many others ...
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Easy nough' said yellowrose... Thought we were giving our puppy a one way trip out of a pig sty. Do you think he has trouble with his other litters? |
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he is horrible...all you have to do is ask around....people have many of his dogs..you saw what she put up the pic of that one on here is so inbred you can tell by looking...washed out mal look and extremely bad conformation..that is not a german shepherd...
He claims he has one or two good ones...he bought one here one there and one from this kennel that had a good line in it then he just breeds what ever....He talks a good talk.....have you ever seen him at a trial or affliate with any club...does he know any one in breeding or anyone in akc or anyone that he can educate you about how to take care of your dog..did he demand you feed certain foods...does he use heart worm protection on any dog..or does he just say he does,,,
Did you see an ofa paper on hips...I have mine....everyone of them I breed..and people are welcome to see them and the tatoo on the ear....ask for a reference list and then call the people...ask for what dog they bought call the vet he uses...Mine loves to tell you about me...Before Marty came to buy a pup from me he never knew it till later but we used the same vet..was not hard for him to check on me. Never has been..even back where I came from the vets will be happy to talk to you about my gsd... and I am not ashamed to publish names..I have nothing to hide. But I do not breed any longer.
I am sorry but He makes me angry and too many of us that have good reputations just get so angry about this...I have a reference list a mile long and well know from Galveston to Oklahoma...I am not perfect nor do I claim to be but I stand behind my breed..and my lines and my pups....I have had one or two people that I have had problems with but I have witnesses and my vets to back me up as to how and why ...and I have Marty to back me on a certain bad man who tried to buy papers off of him so he could register a litter of pups out of a bitch I sold LIMITED>>>>
Steph is correct.....just because I LIMIT the papers...people like Mr Winters and Mr V in Palestine, Texas breed to a male and go buy papers off someone they know....done all the time....
Sorry for my rant but I am very P>O> about treatment of our breed like this...
Pm me privately and I can put you in touch with great breeders that charge the same thing MR WINTERS charges for a real well bred , healthy pup...and it is not the one in Spring , Texas. with a copied german name..
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Thanks so much.....
Weve only had one dog together since we were married.... he passed at 13. Not bad for a 80lb husky. We weren't really educated at all. unfortunately timeline came into play.... we were searching forever and it had to be a Christmas dog...... NEVER AGAIN. Not sure we will get another dog EVER at this point. It's been really upsetting to myself , my wife, and traumatizing for my son who loves his dog dearly. It sucks telling you're 9 year old that his dog probably won't make it. He told me it was a shame, because Trooper was "funny and very talented" ( he is a fetching machine ) I just wish I wouldn't have purchased him, and looked long and hard. Its a shame the Net is full of so much garbage, makes it hard to search sometimes.
I appreciate the offer for referrals, and will take you up on it if we ever do decide to get another pup. Right now its hard to think about as you can imagine. |
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Truly sorry you were introduced to the German Shepherd this way...Many very nice people have come into my life from Houston area and Dallas areas and have been on that premises and many others and many of them bought a pup and took it back not knowing other breeders have rules , good pups, and proper breeding morals.
All litters are not perfect.. I have had one or two that were not the perfect ones...Had one with bad hips , one with a itching problem , not sure it wasn't what the people were feeding and how the buyer takes care of pup has a lot to do with many issues...do a lot of reading here and on sites about Germanblood lines and how they are raised...
Many vets want your money,,and are not knowledgeable about German blood lines..They tell you things GENERAL and have seen so many mangey, poor structured, bad hipped, bad ears, bad everthing in GSD , that the first thing out of their mouth is oh this dog has HD or that dog has Demodectic or that dogs has.......and sometimes are clearly wrong. I proved it many times...my vets are tops . They know where to get the answers...Hips are not their forte so they recommended someone who is.....can't knock a good vet for admitting he is not a Hip vet..
So hang in and find a just spend some time educating yourself...many people on this forum can help you and are in Texas..
Uberland is here in Texas, Doppeldehaus, Adrian Ledda., GermelHaus, and many more too many to list. Many private breeders who are not on here, work in GSD clubs and train and do breed good litters and do have them certified in OFA and other genetic passions to prove the lines are healthy. Visit some trials where you live, visit some dog events anywhere.. Read and study before you buy another dog..no matter what breed..
A breeder who is honest will help you whether you buy a dog from them or not..They should be able to educate you or they are not a breeder with good intent...
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WinterStar Kennels? I saw this guy at Traders Village a few years ago. At that time he had a very large male GS and I believe his name was Bear......I think. I almost bought from him but he would not show me the pedigree so I back off. Good thing.
Florida has one also. |
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