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Pedigree query? (25 replies)
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Hi all.
We have a 6 month old Chocolate lab that we bought from a private sale rather than from the breeder direct, and were provided with paperwork when we bought her. I have however got a few queries. Any help with them would be greatly appreciated.
1. The breeder company name is 'Churchill Wealden Sporting ltd' has anyone heard of them?
2. The pedigree is apparently registered with 'Kennel and Canine Pedigree Registration co.' with an address in London but i cant find any info of them online.
3.The 'pedigree family history states that our dogs parents were Sire-'Ravenspur Charlie' and Dam-Ravenspur and Highclare. Further down the line (our dogs apprant Great Grandad is Pocklea Remus, now he does appear in this register. If anyone has heard the ravenspur nae then please let me know.
As i said, any help with this would be great. Thanks.
Matthew |
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| Never heard of them can't find anything on them either. Sounds like you got ripped off. Are the parents show line? If the Dam and Sire have the same parents you really got screwed. |
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Found a Ravenspur breeder using my advanced search methods. Looks like they primarily breed Griffon Bruxellois. The number is in Australia (07) 3890 3064.
There's also a link below to someone else who bought a pup from the Co you mention. Please follow it:
http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-5828.html
The lab forum listing is most likely your breeder. The poster of the query appears to have bought a pup direct from Churchill in 2005/6. |
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Its ok, the parents dont have the same sire and dame.
There are a couple of other people that have come to me saying they used the same breeder so am happy about that, it was more to see if anyone was familiar with the ravenspur name.
Thanks for your replies. |
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Hi i saw your add when i was looking for something on my Ravensphur. Hope its of some help...
CHURCHILL WEALDEN SPORTING
WINDHILL FARM
WINDHILL LANE
CHARING HEATH
ASHFORD , KENT
TN27 0JS
that's where i bought my 1 yr 3 mth old ravensphur lab from and there the breeders |
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please could you let me know if youve any more news on this breeder as i checked out the company re lodon and its been dissolved some time as i just brought a puppy on fri last week and the man dominic who is the breeder asked if i wanted the pup registered but its not with the kenel club and it also states in the contract of sale under no circumstances can the dog be used for comercial or privat breeding i wanted to have alitter from her and it all seems a bit odd , my daughter has a pup too from him and they are fantastic dogs hers is 16 weeks and very big and beautifull ,its just that something doesnt add up ie the name ravenspur i cant find any where
regards karen |
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Did you buy your pupys from this add ? mine came with a owner registration certificate which was sent once i had picked a name * kennel and canine pedigree registration co * with an add of: 196 hugh road, woodgreen,london n22 8hh
Hope this helps x |
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| Hi, we bought a puppy last weekend too, I have tried to find out about the registration, but no luck, me thinks we have been ripped off! :-) But the puppy is lovely- we hope he will be healthy. |
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| please note i also have been sold a dog by dominic for faversham / churchill wealdon sporting ltd under false pretense ,as i asked if the dog was K C registered and was told it was when buying the dog was not registered but for an extra £20 it would be K |
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KC registered when the cert turned up the next day it was registered with the Kennel & Canine Pedigree Registrtion co.This is not easily found as an AGENCY forward there mail (trying to find out where to )Not only that but our puppy didnt seem right so we call dominic and our vets about a cough the dog had both told us to wait an evening as stress could cause this but know the puppy is in the vets with an i v drip and not well at all.nNot only have i been mugged by this company but i vealso had to pay an extra £80 so far for registration and vet insurance excess although Dominic has agreed to pay back these costs only if vet said that the dog had the problems before we took the dog ?i only had it an evening b4 we called back with our probs.TRIED TO FINE OUT INFO ON DAM / SIRE AND THE K & C PR Co BUT CANT FIND ANYTHING
DO NOT BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE UNLESS YOU WANT A DOG WHERE YOU CANT FIND OUT ITS HISTORY OR PARENTS
IM IN CONVERSATION TO SEEK COMPENSATION |
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Hi There, was sorry to hear of your unwell puppy! hope hes on the mend!!. We purchased a chocolate lab from Dominic and his wife last year!. Charlie Brown will be a year old on the 18Th of May. He is a beautiful dog! we couldn't wish for a better temperament in a family pet . We have had no problems with Charlie apart from him having mites when first purchased but we were covered by pet plan so wasn't a issue! unfortunately things do happen and all kinds of illness can strike animals as well as humans. In your case u are lucky as you are protected by insurance! and Dominic has agreed to pay back the costs! there's not much else that he could do, he can only do so much!. Charlie was checked and passed the vet checks before he was released to me!. So regardless the issue with the mites situation! there would of been no point me ringing Dominic to make this issue known to him as we were covered by pet plan and as i say these things happen! yes its disappointing to say the least! but once they leave the breeding seller then the puppy is your sole responsibility!. Yes in your situation it must be so upsetting watching a puppy go down hill so dramatically! Your right to query this with the seller and i think Dominic dealt with this situation in the correct way!!. To put this issue on the Internet telling people not to buy from this breeder is a bit of a negative point as there is probably many customers like us that are satisfied with our puppy's and the information and quality of service that we were given!. We went back today and purchased a Fox Red Lab from the same breeder!. The kennels and the premises are always spotless when we have visited always a friendly greeting upon arrival!. We also had the opportunity to see Charlie dad again!. I hope you solve your issue and i wish your puppy all the best!.
Regards Hayley |
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Hi all,
My husband and i bought a chocolate labrador bitch from Dominic at Churchill Wealden Sporting LTD in sept 07.
She was sired by Ravenspur Hugo.
I have read the write ups concerning this company but have to say 2 years down the line we are very happy with our purchace. she has had no health problems, and has really turned out a well formed good looking lab.I also use her as a working dog through the winter months on a local game shoot, at which she is comimg on in leaps and bounds!
At the time of purchase Dominic completed all her K C registration papers for us to which we promptly recieved her papers through the post from the kennel club. so personally i couldn't fault the company. |
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Hi all,
Ive just been reading all the posts on here. I am glad to see that some of you have had good experiences with your puppies/dogs.
Personally I would not buy a puppy or dog that has not had health tests carried out and that i could not trace the history of my dog. It sounds like alot of you have had problems tracing your dogs history, and yes your dogs might be ok now but for how long?
I read an article today in DOGS TODAY magazine. It was about PUPPY FARMING! A lady has spent over £23,000 on vet bills for her dog that is now 3 years old. Her dog suffers on a daily basis.
Some of you have been lucky, but my advice is STAY CLEAR of PUPPY FARMS they dont care about the dogs or the puppies, |
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| I bought a puppy sired by RAVENSPUR HUGO & RAVENSPUR AMBER She was boron on 10 Nov 07. A chocolate lab. She was a beautiful dog and my pride and joy till she developed kidney failuire and had to be put down this year and just over a year old. This was only found out in blood tests after she had been spayed. I thought the vets had made a mistake with the spaying and something had gone wrong but the autopsy came back from the royal veterinary college that it was hereditary ! I contacted Dom and sent him all the paper work and he said his vet would look at it and do a report i also rang numerous times and he promised to send paper work reg his vets diagnosis but i gave up a couple of weeks ago and left with a £5000 vets bill just paid it. I was insured but not for all of it ! He seemed so helpfull !!!!! Im very dissapointed. Had he of sent me the information he promised i wouldnt have written on this post but i feel v let down :-( |
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| Just to follow on from my above comment the report said * renal dysplasias can occur in any breed, the causes are not well defined but are most likely to contain a hereditary component. * Im not a vet and can only go on what im told but id hate to miss lead anyone or bad mouth someone i just joined the post as found it interesting other people had had problems to with the same breeder. He did seem so nice and helpfull i really am dissapointed ! |
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Hi
I came across this company, namely churchill wealden sporting ltd in faversham, been reading the negative things people have been writing about them
We have bought 2 puppies from him, 1 x female yellow lab now 6 months old and 1 x black bitch 8 weeks old yeasterday.
Wished to say how pleased we were with them, kennels spotless, able to see mum and dad,also all the paperwork was explained clearly to us before signing them.
this guy has been breeding for i believe nearly 30 years .
The other thing we liked was he was very helpful and always happy to answer questions.
I was sorry to hear about your chocolate lab,must have been very upsetting but hope your didnt mind me higlhy recommending these breeders who do everything possible to make sure the puppies born are from the best possible strain and pedigree.
When we went back we took our first puppy back where we recieved an extremely warm welcome, he had a litter of black labs, most of which he was going to keep for gundog training,we were very lucky he allowed us to have one of these pups.
He was very fussy who he sold his dogs too.
Sorry if ive rambled on a bit but wished to higlhy recommend these breeders and hope knowone has been put off going to dominic.
all the best
gary
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Hi
Not at all. Im not saying there bad. I found them very helpfull i even went back for training but when i contacted Dom to explain about my puppy after she became ill he promised to do everything to help me and we spoke at least 7 times when he promised to get his vet to do a report for me and nothing ever became of it so i believe i was just fobbed off ! Im not saying there bad i am saying that when a problem happens they seem to want to know but dont do what they say !!!
Of course im very dissapointed. She was only 1 yr 3 months when she died. Things like this happen i accept that but he should have done what he promised ot do after !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I have nothing whatsoever bad to say about the breeders i believe he breeds very good dogs and i was unfortunate. These things happen. But if someone says they will do something then they should. Thats good customner service. I did everything he asked me to do i even paid for a copy of all the vets notes & sent them all to him and he supposidly had his vet do me a report. Everytime i rang he said it was being sent and now after 2 months ive given up ! I would not be put off by buying a dog from him as i believe he does breed good dogs & i have recomended him in the past im just very very let down that he has strung me along & promised to do something he didnt. Thats why i joined this post. I would never every have written on here had he of just sent me what he promised. I do hope i havent personaly put anyone off buying from him im just writting my personal experience. |
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| Sorry to hear what has happened to you Anty, but no real surprise. This guy Dom's real name is John Vant. He might call himself Churchill Wealden now, but he used to call himself Vantoak. He has quite a reputation for selling dogs with illnesses. Forget claims of 30 years experience, complete nonsense. He and his wife have been heavily fined by Ashford Council in the past. Beware of what he says, Also on forums like this he has been known to post supporting entries to try to deflect attention. |
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HI
i brought a Labrador from a Mr john vant some years ago from his kennels near Wye in ash ford Kent , a beautiful dog and still is , the problems refered to he had with ash ford council was licensing , no more no less and had nothing to do with the dogs welfare breeding or anything else for that matter i checked this out at the time of my purchase and was more than happy with him . john vant I am now given to believe lives in southern France . Friends of mine recently purchased a labrador puppy from a company called Churchill wealden sporting limited and was served by a person called Dominic Bradley based at a kennels between ash ford and maid stone in Kent . they asked me to go with them for support and advice , the puppy was lovely , the kennels spotless , and the paper work available to see and Dominic Bradley was most certainly not the Mr john vant that I had met being very much younger in my opinion .
it seems to me that it is very easy to throw dirt and negatives whilst hiding behind a false name and deliberately creating problems for the target , mostly i would assume caused through jealousy and ignorance , Dominic and or his company must be doing well .
my name for the record is Steven blundell i live in Rochester in Kent and should anyone wish to speak to me my telephone is 07818442820 perhaps the other negative contributers would like to post their real names etc for the record .
Steven blundell |
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great topic
Bonnie Blue
Blue haus Kennels
Hillsdale, NY |
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hi stickytoffee here again,
I spoke earlier in the thread.
Wow, great entry Steven! I so agree. My name is Lorna Hawkes i only live 10 minutes down the road from you funny enough in the village of Cliffe.
My chocolate Lab BUTTONS (purchased from Dominic) will be 2 tomorrow, happy birthday Buttons!!
As allready stated we are so pleased with her and her ability as a gun dog!
I actually spoke to Dominic on the phone last week and have arranged to meet in a couple of weeks to have first pick on a litter of black labs. Again we wish to work this dog on a local shoot. Dominic has assured me this litter is prefect for the job and has promissed to give a demonstration of both the sire and dams ability to work as a gun dog.
From all the mindless petty entries on here i very much doubt many of you actually have much real knowledge of the hard work envolved to breed and rear labrador retrievers, being one of the most energetic child like but hard working intelegent breeds.
I have been brought up with labs and worked with them my whole life, so appriciate the work envolved. i just wish people wouldn't be so quick to put the boot in to a man who has clearly worked hard at building his business of breeding these beatifull dogs and bringing a lot of them on as gun dogs for himself . This man cares about his dogs!
LORNA HAWKES |
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Who ever or whatever these people are ,they are not what you say they are any bad experiance is fron Dominic and the way he treats people who get sick dogs from them .sure good reports will come from buyer / Family (pretenting to be buyers) but as some have found out that this man turns ugly and threatens to sue anyone who posts bad feedback or if you question the breed line and health of these dogs . Single breeder for 30 years LOL google his mobile number and see how many adverts his number comes up with .
Stay Away from unliecienced breeders that are named as puppy farms and in turn save a pets live.
To any one reading this Please tell Ashford Council your problems any info wil help.
Dont reply to this message either Dominic & family as i dont care to speak to you just read and hope that justice will prevail for once |
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I have a question regarding the above company and the breeding lines they use.
Please do not reply unless you have a positive feed re the kennels used as we all have experience re the pedigree supplied. I have searched the databases of all Lab breeders who care to put details forward, I cannot trace Toonray, Moorhouse, Highclare, Gamefield or Ravenspur kennels on any site.
My question is this, why have none of these kennels got web sites or details published. If they are such good breeders of Gundogs, why are the kennels not registered with the Kennel Club, why when having seen many chocolate lab pedigrees published do I not find any of the above breeders or kennels on any of the pedigrees.
I appreciate that many quieries have been posted re the above company, yes I appreciate that many have good reports, but a lot more have bad.
One question is all that I want answered, WHY NOT PUT YOUR DETAILS ON LINE OR REGISTER WITH KENNEL CLUB WHERE DETAILS CAN BE VERIFIED.
Please don't respond with names off your pedigrees unless you have positive feedback re the above kennels and the registered breed. I also have not been able to trace the registrar that the kennels use either, Kennel and Canine pedigree registration co. |
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It's all gone quiet.
I have sent a message to Stickey toffee, Lorna Hawkes re the KC papers you are supposed to have . I am having no joy with Kennel club re any of the names in my pedigree.
Ken Parr. |
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| re Churchill Wealden Tudor house gundogs Vantoak. This chap never moves far always within about 10 miles of charing. S france dont make me laugh. That would be a trick to attempt to confuse creditors etc. Kennal names used would be simelar to reputable ones to attempt to ride on their reputations. Registration bodies I could not comment on. Dom and JV are I should think one and the same. I get no help from other people in the area with the same name who seem reluctant to discuss him or his wife . says it all really. Keep on the ball though research shows the property to be rented so no doubt he will soon be moving on again to try to flee his past. |
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