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Nothing whatsoever to do with dogs – but any feedback would be appreciated.
Today I ordered an electronic cigarettes starter kit. The “cigarettes” use no tobacco, don’t burn, don’t emit smoke, etc. etc.
According to the advertising, they can be used anywhere - restaurants, airports - any 'no smoking" location. This is the link which describes them in detail:
http://www.djboutlet.com/?gclid=CI3O47qX750CFSXyDAodhD8xRA
Being a smoker since approximately 1963, I’ve never seen or tried this new alternative, and I’m just a little apprehensive.
If anyone here has any comments or experiences, I'd certainly appreciate them ......
Thank you,
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com
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Oooh my goodness.
You learn something everyday. What will they think of next?
I just looked them up, and it says it is much healthier, just gives off nicotine. |
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not a smoker myself, but i would think that areas that are posted NO SMOKING mean just that. i don't think they are going to care what it is......if your'e smoking anything........you're still smoking. i dunno.
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Not to burst your bubble, but you might as well chew on a pencil, or try a lolly pop.
It doesn't feel the same, doesn't curb the urge, just another gimmick to rob you of your money and your dignity.
First off........ everyone get over this second hand smoke bull shit, you ever wonder why they try so hard to get your attention directed at second hand smoke? Do you really think its the one and only cause of cancer. Wake up .
Its in the air you breath and its not tobacco, but they don't want anyone looking into it too deeply.
Its all around you in your everyday life, in your environment, the list is carcinogens in our world is too long to print and too expensive to clean up, you gotta just live with it.
Second,
If no smoking means NO Smoking, then there should also be signs saying Smokers Welcome. And nary the two should meet.
Places set aside for either, if you don't like my smokey bar then find another and leave the rest of us alone.
The taxes I pay should be enough to provide me with a few rights of my own, like not being looked down upon because I use tobacco, something this country was founded on, something our government subsidized for years.
I agree that public places should be smoke free, but privately owned businesses, and private property are another matter, up to the owner to decide.
If it were not for the chemicals used on crops and the processing of tobacco it would be relatively harmless compared to other environmental pollution. And much safer to smoke.
If you don't smoke more power to you, you'll be healthier than me. But if I choose to smoke or drink I have the same right to the pursuit of my happiness as you.
Its time to look beyond what you are told and pick a new demon, start with whats in the fuels your burning, gas, coal, heating oil, diesel, show me that list of chemical additives that go right out into the atmosphere by the ton.
Look at the household chemicals, whats in the building materials, clothing, furnature. The lists are endless.
So..... next time you see a puff of smoke, ask yourself what is it your not seeing?
One day maybe Tobacco will go away, but I doubt it. Get over it.
In the mean time why don't you look into whats really causing lung cancer.
Lighting up......:)~~~~~~
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Let people get their nicotine fix if they need it. The addictive properties of nicotine itself are far greater than those of heroine.
Yes, let people do as they chose. However, all of my smoking friends wish they could stop or cut down. |
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Nicotine was not a problem until the tobacco industry started adding it to a natural product with the knowledge that is was addicting.
Yes anyone who wants to quit can........ its the wanting to thats the problem.
I should as I know its killing me as we speak, but I don't really want to or I would. Ya gotta die from something.
Trust me its not more addicting than Heroine, or Meth, or Cocaine.
Thats just nonsense.
Just don't get between me and my fix !!
No its not funny, and yes its bad for you, what else do we do thats bad for us?
Over eat?
Live on our ass as opposed to moving?
Drink?
Don't forget the drugs, I mean the kind you get at the pharmacy, not just whats illegal.
Next time your driving down a busy street, highway, open the windows and take a deep breath, its not tobacco you smell.
Lets just find something else to demonize besides a cigarette.
Add another warning to the label, and where did all the money go from the settlement? I wonder.
Lighting up another..:)~~~~
Looking for my oxygen bottle..........where is that damned thing. |
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| I quite, cold turkey, the problem is being ready, and haveing the right frame mind to do it. My father quite after 40 years cold turkey, no health reason. My wifes father quite cold turkey, no health reason, just was tired of blowing his money away. My brother in law quite cold turkey, my sister told him she will beat him up every day, and make surre he has no sex until he does lol worked like a charm. My grandfather quite, cold turkey upps he died lol I guess that was the right frame mind lol ;). j/k |
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If you want to smoke fine, if not, thats fine too.
But if you want to blame everything on cigarettes your better off not knowing whats really in the air you breathe.
If you want to quit try getting angry about what the Tobacco industry has done to you.
Then take every dime you don't spend on Tobacco and put it in a clear glass jar, seeing the money add up will help.
Then cry because the taxes your not paying are gonna come out of something else to keep things and people in the government well paid and happily living the life style they are acustomed too.
Cold Turkey isn't as bad for you as it will be for them.
I hate the damned things, but I'm not quiting today.
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Steve Leigh,
I bought it and used it. I thought it was pretty good. I smoked it in restaurants and at work and not anything anyone could do. It wasn't burning or letting out any smoke. Just the vapor. And I didn't smoke regular cigarettes. I felt ok getting the nicotine that way. It's definately not the same as smoking a real one but it does work.
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Two Moons, couldn't agree more, this no smoking in public places is relatively new here, but i think it's a load of nonsense. You are not even allowed to smoke in a company vehicle here i believe!! Why does the Governement not ban it entirely? simple they make to much revenue from it here!!!
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My sister in law bought one and it lasted 3 days till she bought cigs again. I wouldn't waste money on it myself.
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Moons, agree 100%  Lighting up :)~~~~ |
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I don't think it is all just willpower for some people. The physical addiction is real. Until you get past that "hump" when you realize, jeez the monkey is finally off my back, thank god, I don't ever want to be that dependent again, then you can truly say you've quit.
I don't have great advise because what worked for me just doesn't work for everyone. I got pregnant. I swear to God, I had a physical reaction that made smoking, caffeine and beer all suddenly unpalatable. After I gave birth, I picked up drinking coffee and it didn't take long before I opened a beer. I was grateful though, to never have to want to smoke a cigarette ever again.
I smoked for almost two decades. When I started, smokes were 60 cents a pack. When I quit, they were $2.55. I can't imagine the poor people paying 6 to 8 bucks a pack these days. The taxes on cigs in CT is outrageous, maybe one of the highest in the country. And it is a shame because the poorest folk who are addicted will find a way to pay (or steal) even if they don't get help to quit. It is okay to seek help, and I'll never accuse a smoker or blame them for a character weakness.
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I smoked for 20 years then C. Everett Koop, the then Surgeon General made the comment that smokers were more addicted that herorin users. That got my attention. He pissed me off. I wasn't an addict! Never mind that I had tried to quit numerous times and ended up digging through the trash for half smoked butts and/or getting in the car and driving to the local convenience store for a pack. I never really wanted to give them up before. I liked my smokes, I liked lighting up. I liked a cig with my wine, or right after a meal. So many triggers. But Koop really pissed me off. It was as if he was speaking directly to me. So I picked a day, March 30, 1989. If I remember correctly it fell on a Thursday. I smoked my last cigarette just before Midnight. I placed an unopened pack of cigs on my kitchen table. They were there if I needed them. I knew that all I needed to do was make it three days and the nicotine would be out of my system and after that it was all habit. I picked a Friday for my first day without so that by the following Monday the bitchiness of withdrawl would be gone. I kept busy over the weekend and stuffed hard candy, peppermint, butterscotch & cinnamon discs in my face instead of smokes. By the end of the weekend I was so sick and tired of that candy! A week later I was helping some friends move. When I was sent to KFC to pick up lunch for everyone I was told they were out of original but would have it ready in ten minutes. Now every smoker knows that ten minutes is a cigarette. I was flumaxed! What was I going to do for ten minutes!!!! I found a quiet corner there and dumped my purse out on the table and sorted through all the crap I was carrying. I got some strange looks but I got through my little panic attack and stayed off the butts. I'm not sure how long I moved that unopened pack around the kitchen table but finally one day I was tired of looking at it and gave it to a friend. I haven't had a cigarette in all that time. Not even when my husband had quadruple by-pass surgery. Nothing has made me want to go back to it. I'm not like others who tell me they still want one every day of their lives. I did use to say that if I found out I had terminal cancer I would start smoking again. I don't feel that way anymore. I just don't smoke. My husband still does. He can't quit. Neither can my dad. Both of them have health problems. Nobody smokes in my house anymore out of respect for me. I don't care if you smoke. Just don't do it in my house. I won't go to places that still allow it. I can't stand the smell of it anymore. But I know better than to pass judgment on those who smoke. Been there done that.
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| As a smoker, I must say, I don't like the smell of cigarettes in my house. I always smoked at the fireplace and blew it up the chimney. I hate a cigarette burning in an ashtray with the smoke coming at my face. I don't like the smell of smoke on clothes. So, I have always been a considerate smoker, will not smoke in someone else's house. All of that said, I do think it's gotten ridiculous that smokers have become the bane of society and blamed for all of the health problems, secondhand smoke hocus-pocus is BS. Both of my parents, as well as grandparents were all smokers, so if seconhand smoke were that bad, along with the decades I've been smoking myself, I should have been dead 20 years ago. When I started, they were 50 cents a pack. Cigarette tax not only goes to pay for malpractice insurance for doctors, it also pays for CHIP, children's insurance. Nobody ever thanks us for that though, do they? And what would happen if all smokers quit on the same day? Would there still be doctors around to be able to take care of all those uninsured children? |
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OK- OK ….
I originally asked (I asked – because I have no knowledge or experience) about electronic cigarettes.
Today, I spent the majority of the day talking to people and learning. I may have made a mistake ordering the specific “BRAND” …. But I also learned that I can very likely reduce nicotine intake (maybe very gradually, or maybe a lot quicker) – and – (hopefully) stop smoking completely.
I guess I worded my original message in the wrong way. I probably should have asked who actually HAS, or knows someone who HAS, experience with this subject.
FWIW – (not much, probably) – 2 things compelled me to do some research: (1) I bought 2 cartons of cigarettes today: *** NINETY NINE DOLLARS *** (and I honestly remember when cigs were 17 CENTS a pack – 20 cents a pack in the vending machines), and (2) the doctor came here today and had the pharmacy deliver an inhalation aerosol Rx which I’m supposed to use 4x daily. I nearly died when I saw the regular price for the inhalant - $149. and change – I’m very fortunate that Medicaid covers this, except for a small co-pay.
So – in all – today was a complete freak out for me. Excuse my babbling, I’m trying very, very hard to STOP spending about $100 weekly to smoke (which I know and admit I’m habituated to), and I’m freaked out about this new inhaler (which I haven’t even had the nerve to try yet.) Added to it, smoke STINKS. It’s messy, nasty, filthy – and I’m so sick of scrubbing nicotine off my phone, the monitor, etc. – my ashtray (a German import of course) takes 2 hours of soaking to clean the residue out …. thus …. I’m hoping that I can, at the very least, “cut back” drastically.
Thank you,
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com
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Steve, it's true that nicotine has a similar addictive effect to heroin. That's why it's so hard to quit.
Secondly, the act of taking out the cigarette and lighting up is a large part of the habit. Smokers trying to quit often say they don't know what to do with their hands.
Since the nicotine and the ritual of holding a cigarrette and puffing on it are so much a part of the habit, I don't really feel these electronic cigarretes are a good way to try to quit. They just reinforce habit patterns you need to try to break. I think that the patch or gum would be a better option. Or, if you can stand it, go cold turkey.
I lost my husband to bladder cancer, which was likely due to his smoking, even though he'd quit many years before we met. Something like 90% of bladder cancer patients are smokers or ex-smokers.
I wish you all the best with trying to quit. |
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Steve,
Since you asked I have used two devices, one with heat (electronic of sorts I guess), and one without.
Both gave me a raw throat, one tasted awful like chewing butts, the other was expensive.
I've wore the patches as well, wouldn't waste my time on the gum, and the longest time I ever went without a smoke was when I was too sick to smoke oddly enough with the Flu.
Ain't that a kick in the head....LOL
Sunsilver,
I am sorry for your loss, and thats all I'm gonna say.
I didn't figure the thread would still be of interest to anyone anyway.
Steve,
If you want to quit, do it.
All you have to do is make up your mind, and not lie to yourself about it.
We say we want to, but deep inside we don't.
Its more than just a buzz and something in your hand, its power. The power over your own time.
Only a smoker knows what I mean.
Anyway quit, I'm positive the stress will be good for you.
Moons. |
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Thank you to those who have been supportive.
Unless a major issue comes along - I REALLY feel that I have finally beat smoking cigarettes.
I'm new - this has only been about 3 days now - and it would be stupid of me to say "YES! I WON!" I don't really know for sure IF I've won.
I still have so many questions, and quite a bit of uncertainty - but I also have something else ......
I HAVE NEARLY 3 DAYS - WITH A PACK OF MY (TOBACCO) CIGARETTES ONLY INCHES AWAY FROM MY FINGERS.
And I have no desire to even TOUCH them.
I'm so freaked out - I can't believe it. I've been talking with Gene England - two or three times daily - HE'S almost as astounded as I am.
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com - (quit smoking page updated)
ps: I have no interest whatsoever in some of the comments AND telephone calls I have received. Please don't provoke me to mention any names - because I WILL.
Steve Leigh
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| good luck to you steve. quitting isn't always easy. i was a 3-4 pack a day (dunhill) smoker. when my doctor told me that if i wanted to get pregnant i had to quit, i did. i still wish i could have one in the a.m. with my coffee and one after dinner, but i know that if i smoked even one, i'd be back at a pack a day within a week. a very dear uncle and a very dear family friend died of lung cancer (after hauling their oxygen tanks around for atime) and one of my aunts is hauling her tank around, still denying that cigs cause cancer. my favorite sister uses cigs to help her keep her weight down, KNOWING that they'll kill her. my 80 yr old dad hasn't smoked since his early 20's, and, like me, wishes he could have just one or two a day. whether or not they add shit to them or not, breathing in burning plant matter into your lungs on a daily basis is just BAD for you. if time and technology have made it easier for people to quit, huzzah! more power to ya. again, good luck, hauling around a tank and shrinking into a walking skeleton is ugly and it just makes a bunch of rich assholes richer. if some kind of contraption helps you, use it. |
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| Three days! The nicotine is out of your system!! Congrats on that! Now it's a battle of habit. Things that trigger you wanting one. You need to prepare for those triggers and have something to counter them! Now it's just a nasty habit no longer an addiction! You can do it!!! Keep those cigs around until you just can't stand to look at them. They are your life preserver sitting there right now if you need them... but you won't since they are there you don't get that panicky feeling. Be very proud. You are on your way! |
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:-)
Three DAYS is nothing. I do NOT feel certain. The reason for that goes back to about 1963.
But I know - I'm absolutley positive - SOMETING different is happening here.
I'm sitting here, occasionally puffing on an electronic "cigarette" ......... looking (and laughing) at my Winstons ...... I HAVE NO DESIRE OR NEED (currently) to even TOUCH them.
This whole situation is BRAND NEW to me - and I'm totally flabbergasted. It's simalar to a 6-legged GSD ...... what???
I am awestruck. And - in my own foolish way - I'm praying this is for REAL.
IF THIS IS ALL IT TAKES FOR A 40+ YEAR SMOKER TO GAIN SOME CONTROL ......
ANYBODY CAN DO IT!!!! |
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Tina Barber, breed founder of the Shilohs, recently kicked a 40-year smoking habit. Sometimes she'd smoke as many as 2 or 3 packs a day! She's been using patches, but is looking into the electronic cigarettes.
So, it certainly CAN be done!
Keep up the good work, Steve! A lot of us are rooting for you! 
And, DebSue, the e-cigarettes DO have nicotine in them. |
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Hubs started when he was 16, quit when he was 39.
Started up again 15 years later.
I hate it. |
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Steve Leigh,
You mind explaining why you sent me a nasty private message?
I don't give a shit if you fall dead tomorrow loser.
Piss off and don't bother PM-ing me again.
Say it in public or shut the fuck up.
Moons. |
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Sunsilve, I stand corrected! I didn't realize Steve was using the E-cigs. Ack! Yes nicotine still in use. I don't understand how continuing using a drug is supposed to make one kick the habit but hey, if it gets the job done, bravo!
GSDrule, Sorry to hear the hubs started back up. After my hubs had his heart surgery he quit for 6mo so I was devastated when he started back up. Some of us can do it, some can't.
Moons & Steve...boys, play nice now.
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Steve,
Now isn't that so much better.
Personally I have never thought very highly of you either, and I know a little bit about you that perhaps others do not.
At any rate, if anyone has a problem with personal hygiene it would be you from what I understand.
And you have a few character issues that could stand some attention as well.
We are not going to butt heads, you keep your nasty little head in your pants where it belongs.
You might have some people fooled, but not me. And whatever it was that set you off on me in the first place get over it.
No one cares.
I sure as hell don't. I just don't appreciate nasty little messages sent in private by some loser who's having a bad day.
Nothing is private on the Internet in the first place, and besides its sneaky and I really don't like sneaky people, or lier's, or Con-men who prey on women.
Its just one more flaw in ones character, being sneaky.
You should stay away from the computer for a while if your really trying to quit smoking, you don't need the stress.
Instead clean up that pig pen you live in and try to be a man, stop whining.
And never get personal with someone you don't know, its a sign of weakness, kinda like name calling, reaching at straws.
You will only reap what you have sown.
You have much to learn Weedhopper,
Lighting up ~~~~~~~~~~~
Moons.
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I quit smoking cold turkey a little over 3 years ago. I used the patch and I didn't give a damn about proper patch usage, I would put a couple of them on at the same time, and rub them like crazy when the cravings got really bad. I also cut straws into the size of cigs and would use them to go through the motions with my hands. The straws also came in handy for the first few months, because I could bite the hell out of them when I was most frustrated with how difficult it was to quit. What bothered me more than anything was how often I thought about it. After about a year I was finally over it for good. For about a year after that I still enjoyed smelling other people's burning cigs. Now I don't like the way other people's cigarette smoke makes my hair and clothes smell, so I stay up wind.
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The one I got came with cartridges of High, Low and No doses of nicotine. So, I guess you could at your own pace ween yourself off of nicotine. I think I could have done it if I had ordered more of the cartridges. But the webssite had changed by the time I got around to ordering and now doesn't even show the ones that I bought to begin with. I'm still smoking. : (
No way I could do it cold turkey! |
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What's interesting to note is what happens at party. I used to be one of those standing outside freezing off by butt just to smoke a butt. Now, at parties, there is a moment in time when I realize, hey, where'd everybody go? And then I see them, outside freezing their butts off, smoking their cigarettes. Problem is, these are the folks I usually want to chit chat with and I end up missing out on the fun conversations, unless I hang out in the cold freezing my butt off with them.
I have also grown absolutely intolerant with cigarette butt littering. Drives me mad when smokers, (friends included) who won't use their ashtrays in the car because they don't want the mess and smell, or they are secret smokers. Whatever, those 400 nasty carcinogens eventually leach out into our water supply or the environment, don't they?
(I applaud Steve's efforts, will wait a bit longer to see if he's past the physical nicotine addiction phase, seems a bit premature, but I don't doubt it can happen.)
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Thank you, Beetree. 
10 days - no tobacco.
Yesterday, I sat with my neighbor (at HIS house) as he smoked 3-4 cigarettes .... I thought they smelled awful. I never realized how bad his house smelled from the smoke!! And mine, obviously, was just as bad!! Thus, a new rule here -
NO SMOKING INSIDE MY HOUSE. Outside on the porch: fine. Indoors: no.
I've done more studying, and learned that the miniscule amount of nicotine which I am consuming is not of any real consequence. It would be far more hazardous (in terms of toxic inhalation) to mow my yard!
As to being "done" .... I'm 100% UNcertain. Stronger willed people have tried and failed with various methods: gum, patches, prescriptions, hypnosis, the list is long. I'm just taking it a day at a time, and making an honest effort to stay far away from tobacco use.
I'm fortunate to have a close friend (his name is Gene England) who has been calling and encouraging me frequently. Also, the "guru" of electronic cigarettes, Arno (www.awesomevapor.com) has been talking with me constantly.
I guess it's a roll of the dice for almost anyone. I fell flat on my face trying to use the ZERO nicotine too soon .... but, in time, if I keep making the effort, I think (but I'm not sure) that I can do it.
But meanwhile, no matter WHAT happens, I'm estimating that I have not purchased 30 (THIRTY) packs of cigarettes in the past 10 days.
Steve Leigh
www.sl-prokeys.com
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Congratulations. One day at a time. 30 packs of cigs here would be a 300 dollar savings! |
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BeeTree said:
"I have also grown absolutely intolerant with cigarette butt littering. Drives me mad when smokers, (friends included) who won't use their ashtrays in the car because........"
ME TOO!!!!!!
I don't mind the smell of a burning ciggie, in fact I kind of like it, even though I don't want the "old" smell on my clothes or hair BUT the ciggie butts on the ground are totally disgusting. You smokers need to pay better attention and when you put out your butts don't leave them on the ground, they look awful, are poisonous as hell and puppies love to eat that kind of thing. Put them in your pocket or in your soda can until you can find a proper receptacle, just please don't leave the nasty things on the ground!!! |
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I just paid $68 a carton !!! Now I'm smoking them way down to the filter. Why don't they raise the tax on Alcohol like they did on cigarettes. I've never heard of a "crazed cigarette smoker" killing themselves or others on the highways. |
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24 DAYS!
Not even one puff of a tobacco cigarette.
I'm amazed!
Steve
www.sl-prokeys.com/smoke/smoke.htm
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| Well done, Steve, keep up the good work. |
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I have smoked a whole pack today :-(
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28 days .... 4 weeks!
Those Winstons must be feeling pretty unwanted by now ....
I've made a few mistakes (broke an atomizer which was replaced within 48 hours) via my inexperience, but so far, it seems that electronic cigarettes are winning and tobacco is losing.
I also overfilled the cartridge a few times, and was rewarded with a drop of liquid in my mouth .... UGH! A tissue took care of it, no big thing.
It's an interesting learning process.
Steve
www.sl-prokeys.com/smoke/smoke.htm
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| I know this isn't your area but you might be interested to know that lately, our newspaper advertisements show Yale University is looking to pay smokers for a study they are doing researching a nicotine vaccine. Now wouldn't that be something for the future of kicking the habit. |
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Thank you!
I've learned some very interesting things:
Since I started with this new invention, I have been using a liquid which contains about 50% of a "normal" Winston cigarette. As I wrote above, I tried the ZERO nicotine, but failed. Arno warned me not to try and move too fast, but I had to try it to learn.
Now, I'm almost (not quite) ready to start reducing the nicotine in the liquid. This is very easy to do by mixing the 50% and the 0% together. My hopes (after falling flat on my face with the 0%) are to do it a little at a time .... explained:
10 drops of liquid = 1 refill. (Not exactly accurate, but a good example) Soon, I'll use 9 drops of 50% and 1 drop of 0%. If all works, I'll try 8 and 2. If it takes a week or two, I'll try 7 and 3.
Maybe, with some luck, I'll get to 5 and 5 .... and from there, I can try to make even more progress.
Anyway you look at it, though, I've already reduced the toxic intake of tobacco cigarettes by about 90% - maybe more. Another interesting side effect is no coughing. I haven't had to use the inhaler except once!
Steve |
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