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Post ReplyUSCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Kim Gash on 11 December 2009 - 14:12 |
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| Does anyone know what the hang up is with the USCA judges being published in the October SV approved judges list and most recently the one just published yesterday - I thought they were all approved and were to be on the list? http://www.schaeferhund.de/site/typo3conf/ext/nf_downloads/pi1/passdownload.php?downloaddata=158 I also tried to get the OK from the SV to trial under Johannes for a a working title prerequisite for an SV (not USA) Koerung. They said that they could not give me an answer at that time and would get back to me. Still waiting and trial long past and without approval there was not point in getting a title I could not use for an SV Koerung. Anyone know what's going on? This is an awfully long delay in publishing them under the Foreign judges list especially when it was published in the Schutzhund USA Magazine back in October. Any one know any reason why they are not listed? |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Elkoorr on 11 December 2009 - 16:12 |
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| Deutsche Muehlen mahlen langsam! No, I dont know why they are not listed, but I do know that paperwork or burocratic affairs can take its time in the german system. Other, perhaps their license as SVF doesnt go into effect until January? Maybe Nia can bring some light into this. |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by judron55 on 11 December 2009 - 18:12 |
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| There are no more SV foriegn judges....! That was posted on the USA-GSD site! | |
USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by sueincc on 11 December 2009 - 22:12 |
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Pretty funny! |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Kim Gash on 12 December 2009 - 15:12 |
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| Again - there is no SVF judges program anymore. Whatever test the USCA judges went under is NOT an SVF program - SVF judges are able to judge as an SVF judge in a foreign country just like an SV judge once a release from the SV is procurred. The SVF judges that are licensed in the past retain their SVF status. However no new SVF judges licenses are being done as that program was discontinued. There is a program with the SV where, if approved by the SV, judges in foreign countries are recognized by the SV. Recognition is different than an SVF status. It merely means their working titles within their own country are recognized by the SV. This is being offered to all judges in all countries if the judges wish to participate and the SV approves them. This is getting confused with an SVF status. While the words are similar, people are not understand what the designations mean or what the different designations of judges have the rights to do. If people would bother to look at the judges list and read and comprehend what the intitials are indicating regarding their judging designations, perhaps there would be a greater understanding. The lack of understanding of SV rules may appear to be funny superficially, but it indicates people here in the US really don't understand the SV rules, designations or titles nor do they care. Maybe that is the ultimate humor, rather irony. Again, my question was why would they not have been published by now? USA announced it in October and before, there have been two publishings of the list since then. Maybe it is just a paperwork delay at the SV - but no one can give an answer including the SV. Just have to wait and see. |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by sueincc on 12 December 2009 - 17:12 |
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| All USA members can look at page 10 of the Nov/Dec magazine for a copy of the letter from the SV as well as a translation. Titles and breed surveys awarded in the United States by the judges in question are recognized by the SV. | |
USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Kim Gash on 12 December 2009 - 21:12 |
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| USCA Breed surveys are definitely not recognized as SV Breed surveys nor are USCA Koermeister or show judges recognized by the SV - that is not even in the translation. The USCA Breed survey is not accepted in any other country - the SV's is accepted world wide. The second question is if the USCA judges' working titles will be accepted for the working title prerequisite for the true SV (not the USCA facsimile) Breed Survey done by an SV Koermeister. There are only certain countries/clubs that the SV will accept breed surveys from. USCA is not one of them. USCA follows that list to some degree and WDA follows that list to the letter on what is valid. |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by sueincc on 12 December 2009 - 22:12 |
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| Are you saying that in the United States if I am awarded a breed survey or title under any of the judges in the letter from the SV the SV will not recognize that title or breed survey? | |
USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by TeMar on 12 December 2009 - 23:12 |
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The judges on the list are only recognized as trial judges by the SV. The USA Körmeister breed survey’s ARE NOT recognized by the SV. Those breed survey are only recognized by USA & Canada. The titles awarded by the USA judges on the list are recognized by the SV and titles can be used for a breed survey by an SV Körmeister that breed survey will be recognized by the SV. Mary D |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by TeMar on 12 December 2009 - 23:12 |
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The judges on the list are only recognized as trial judges by the SV. The USA Körmeister breed survey’s ARE NOT recognized by the SV. Those breed survey are only recognized by USA & Canada. The titles awarded by the USA judges on the list are recognized by the SV and titles can be used for a breed survey by an SV Körmeister that breed survey will be recognized by the SV. Mary D |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by sueincc on 12 December 2009 - 23:12 |
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| Thanks for the clarification, Mary! | |
USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Kim Gash on 13 December 2009 - 13:12 |
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| Mary - so far, the SV is unwilling to confirm that if you will read my original post. The answer to my question if Johannes' working title would fulfil the working title prerequisite for an SV Koerung was responded to with : "Unfortunately, we are not able to answer your question at present because up to now not all formal questions regarding the recognition of these judges have been cleared. " That contunues to be substanciated the questions regarding their status are not cleared up by the absence of their names on the SV approved list. Hopefully something will be forthcoming in January. |
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USCA Judges not on the SV Foreign Approved Judges list? by Kim Gash on 16 December 2009 - 14:12 |
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| I received the following from the SV which relates the recognition but not the SV designation: In reference to your inquiry I would like to inform you that a trial earned in the U.S. under Johannes Grewe is recognized from the SV. All trials which have been judged from Mr. Grewe as of November 1, 2009, also Mr. Ernest Hintz. The formalities regarding the judges Caputo, Groh, Roque, Szentmiklosi, Chaffin, Griffith, Hamilton, Pope and Stephenson are still not cleared. Mr. Grewe and Mr. Hintz will be entered into the SV Amtsträgerverzeichnis (judges list) but without the addition (SV). That means, that Mr. Grewe and Mr. Hintz have authorization to judge abroad but not in Germany. The trials which have been earned under Mr. Grewe and Mr. Hintz are fully recognized by the SV; this means that those trials are also valid for breed survey in Germany. This regulation is valid for all trial judged from Mr. Grewe and Mr. Hintz as of November 1, 2009; with this date they have been recognized as SV judge. |
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