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noch zugelassen (a3)=OFA excellent (17 replies)
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How is it possible for a dog to receive noch zugelassen (a3) in Germany and OFA excellent in the USA? WOW!
I'll drink to that, cheers |
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People are just noticing this?
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I would very much question the validity of this -
the only experience I have had with NZ hips - imported a pregnant female (Schh3, V-KKl-1) - x-rayed her before breeding her again - her hips were absolutely terrible. "severe" in one hip, moderate in the other. Spayed and placed her. Will never do that again.
molly |
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I have never heard of A3 being an OFA Excellent....Where did you get this report?
I heard the very opposite that an A3 was Fair |
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| You have to go back to when the dog was rated V in Germany, the true hip x-ray is posted there. |
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| OFA is bull Hockey, There is so many proving stories of people sending in bad hip reports that they just got back from OFA and then sending them back in and getting good or better reports ( TOTAL BS )! OFA it all depends on which docs are looking at, who had there coffee that morning and if they have there bi-foculs on straight. Thats why if it is not SV it might not be correct. You can join Schutzhund USA and have thto them sent to the SV to get a accurate reading, but to many backyard breeders wanting to turn a quick dollar because there dog is 2 and ready breed, FULL SPEED AHEAD YE-HA. Cheers. |
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In the case of my dog that was NZ (passing A3 hips) from Germany - SV a-stamp passing hip rating - I could see for myself, without bifocals or any other assistance - how TERRIBLE her hips were when x-rayed in this country. I expected the moderate rating from OFA and wouldn't have been surprised at severe.
molly
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I have never experienced such a difference of interpretation between the S.V. and the O.F.A., although I hear of plenty who have supposedly experienced these differences.
Me? I would never purchase a dog (for the purpose of breeding) that has a finding of "a" 3 noch Zugelassen, but that is just my personal choice and I realize there are many more things to a dog than just hip quality. Perhaps I have a decent eye for the interpretation of hip radiographs; perhaps the O.F.A. and S.V. channel my thoughts; or perhaps I am just damned lucky. I have never been suprised by the findings of either organization concerning radiographs that I examined prior to submission.
What I fail to see is this - proof - the picture is worth so much here. What I would like to see the next time someone states their "a" 3 dog received O.F.A. "excellent" (or "good" or "fair") is the proof offered by the radiographs that were submitted to each organization. The O.F.A. will allow another evaluation, as will the S.V., though the latter is just a bit tougher to fulfill.
I know that people often piss on the O.F.A. for what is sometimes a differing opinion evaluation-to-evaluation. Even though the radiographs are examined by three (3) board-certified radiologists; in the end the findings of the members of this group are examined by Dr. Keller to make sure the concensus is correct. The S.V. operates in a manner that is virtually identical, and I would presume the same for the B.V.A. and the F.C.I..
So in short - show me the pictures - show me the proof.
Best Regards,
Bob-O |
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Have the x-rays been dyed?  |
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Louise - perhaps they were dyed at a midnight trial? 
Too funny,
Bob-O |
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My bitch Star is the first dog I've ever had OFA'd. I looked at her x-rays before they were submitted, and the minute I saw that right hip, I knew it was bad news. Sure enough, the right hip rated 'mildly dysplastic'.
I'm with Bob-O: show me the proof! Even a lay person who's used to looking at x-rays (like a lot of us on the board here) should have no trouble telling the difference between OFA good/excellent and A3 hips! |
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| I saw x-rays of a friend's NZ dog before they were sent to the SV. I felt that they might never pass OFA. This person later got an OFA elbow certification (before the SV had an elbow registry) but never x-rayed the hips for OFA purposes. |
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| in germany they do anything, |
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Maybe the film sent to the SV was a poor positioning or development causing blurring?
But I am with the others on this one, show me the actual films sent to each organization. I had a dog who was A3 once and when she arrived and I wanted to OFA her (she was A Stamped at 12 months by her original owner), she would have never passed. Unfortunately I purchased her pregnant (long story) and after the litter I had her spayed. The hips were horrendous.
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I agree with BOB-O and Molly , show me the xrays with proper ID on them to match the dog...see dog also....someone elses exrays can be substituted if you do not match the dog to the xrays...even then....got to be a detective...with xtra strength eye glasses.
Louise: You are PLUMB FUNNY; How is the DE coming???are you still taking It?
YR |
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Does not matter if it is SV or OFA.
The x-rays are read by orthopedic specialists, not day laborers picked up on the corner for the task
There will always be room for individual interpretation.
I've had many dogs "OFA'd" over the years and never had a surprise. The ones who obviously wouldn't, I did not submit. Of the ones I sent in, (evaluated by myself and my vet) they all passed.
There is no way in hell that a dog went NZ in Germany and then OFA Excellent in the U.S. That would imply gross incompetence on one side or the other. It does not happen.
Rik
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I think the may happen if it was a young 1 year old dog that was noch zugelassen because of subluxation.
Then the x-ray was taken again at 2 years of age and the dog was in good firm condition.
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| I agree with Fallsview. I knew a dog that went from NZ to OFA good at 2 years. Some lines seem to have a lot of laxity when young. Leerburg states something along the lines of this being good as it prevents the joints from being permanently injured as puppies tend to be reckless. But unfortunately this isn't taken into account when the OFA grades hips. Laxity plays a big role with the OFA, and maybe it does with the SV as well. |
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