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Classified: 2010 KS ASTs Breeding Plan
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My 6 year old just collapsed and died! (48 replies)
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I'm totally devistated, everytime I think about her I start crying again. Yesterday she was perfectly fine and this morning I went out to her kennel to let her out and she wasn't acting herself. I immediately put her back in the kennel and then she threw up, she threw up this huge amount of brownish/red liquid. I went and got my jeep and took her immediately to the vet, the vet took an xray and he thought there was something going on, maybe a slight blockage of her intestine. He wanted to keep her there for observation and to take another xray later that day, to see if it would pass naturally. I talked to the vet several times during the day, they said she hadn't vomitted and she was wagging her tail everytime someone walked by her crate. At 3 this afternoon, the vet took her out of the crate and then she collapsed and died. He did an autopsy and found she had mesenteric torsion (a twist in the small intestine) and he said it was almost always fatal. It mostly affects German Shepherds.
Has anyone else ever experienced this?
I'm really missing my Annie, she was the most beautiful solid black shepherd and everytime you saw her she had a toy in her mouth, she would retrieve anything! Here's a picture of my beautiful Annie!
Robin
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i never heard of it myself, but so sorry for your loss! she had a very sweet face.......(hugs). if you ever need to talk about it, check out www.petloss.com chat. i lost my 5 year old male gsd to bloat last year on valentine's day, he was alive but in shock when i woke up, and dead 10 minutes later while i was on the phone with the vet. those sudden losses are so devestating. so sorry.
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| I am so sorry for your loss. The mesenteric torsion along with bloat, has been dicussed on the board a few times, it is brought up when someone loses a friend. Robin alot of us here have lost our very best friends at some point in time. You talk about her all you want. We will listen. RIP ANNIE. |
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Several years ago I had a 16 month old pit bull puppy named Angel that died from torsion. She was laying on the floor in shock when I got home and by the time I got off the phone with the vet she was dead. She had also vomitted her dinner from the night before. Since she was so young and active and seemingly healthy I also had an autopsy done, and that was their finding. It was devastaing and still very sad to think about, even almost 15 years later
I am very sorry for your loss. Your dog was beautiful
Stacy |
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Hi Robin I am so very sorry for your sudden lose no words can take the pain away but please always rember your Annie will always be by your side you will know this as you will feel her there take care god bless
Rosie
My friend female had the same as Annie and she lost her to my friend female died on rout to the vet she was just 4 years old |
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I am very sorry for your loss of Annie. Mesenteric Torsion does not always present symptoms, and can just suddenly cause death. Mesenteric Torsion is a twist in intestines around the Mesenteris Axi, causing the blood supply to be cut off, thus the tissues necrotize. Symptoms can be rapid onset of shock, abdominal pain and vomiting. Some believe it is also called "Toxic Gut Syndrome" and is predominantly found in GSD's. TGS is sometimes found in dogs with MT but not the cause. It was very prevelant in the 80's in Am. Bred dogs due to close linebreeding/inbreeding. Clostridium bacteria has been linked to, (as has EPI) to MT. Many people believe if you feed yogurt, or digestive enzymes it balances out the bacteria. Hope this helps in some small way, again I am so sorry for your loss.
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I know how you fell. it will be 3 years since my black girl died form having her stomach turn in a spot where it couldn't be fixed either. She was 6 too.
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I am so very sorry for your loss. What a horrifying experience, but know that YOU did all you could have done. You gave her a wonderful and happy life.
Mking: Wasn't the "Toxic Gut Syndrome" actually attributed to a couple of very overused (Select) studs among the Ambreds? I seem to recall that it is connected to a Select male named after a German city and another Select with a Native American name. |
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I am so sorry for your sudden loss, Robin. I experienced the sudden death of my 7 year old GSD last December. He was my constant companion, even attended college classes with me. He was fine when I let him outside one evening and less than a half hour later, I discovered him dead by the sidewalk.
You have my deepest sympathy and if it would help to share more, feel free to PM me.
Renee
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| I am so sorry for the untimely loss of your beautiful girl. |
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| I am so sorry for your loss! No words can take away the pain that you feel. Just know that you gave Annie the very best life and you did everything possible to help her. |
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.jpg) here is my boy 12 hrs before death.
it happens too damn fast.
so sorry for you.
it is stil very hard on my daughter even with a new friend.
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Mystere-
You are correct! Been out of the AM.Breds for a loooong time, but I believe there were several overused studs and lines that were linked to it. If memory serves me I believe you are referring to "Stuttgarts Sundance Kid", there have also been links to the Covy Tucker Hills bred dogs. I believe, but may be wrong, that the "Kaleef" dogs, bred by Jimmy Moses are heavily bred on those lines. It was very prevelant in the 1980's among the Am.Breds. I do seem to recall a post last year??? about a German bred having died of it also?
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| over a year after nenz died, my 6 year old daughter kept asking when he was coming back.......we got him just a year and a half before he died, and when we brought him to vet's for shots, she asked if we were going to get bandit, my lab/gsd/husky that had been pts 6 months earlier. now at 7 i think she understands better. she was crying for nenz for a while and even now, out of the blue, sometimes asks if i remember him, and that she misses him, and wants him to come back, even tho she knows he can't and won't. |
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You have my condolences, as well. Last winter, I lost my girl before her 6th birthday -- chronic kidney failure exacerbated by lifelong GI problems.
Too many gsds are GI-deficient.
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| So sorry for the loss of your besutiful girl Robin .Alos to the other's whom had loss their beautiful dogs.:-(( |
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| Sorry for your loss .I think alot of us German Shepherd owners feel your pain .I lost my first one to torsion. He was german bred . It still hurts me to think about it twenty some years later. |
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I am so sorry, my heart goes out to all of you who have felt the particular heartbreak of losing a young dog.
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That's just so sad. I'm so very sorry for you. Here's my girl who died from intestinal issues just two months ago...she's the happy Yoschy granddaughter loving up my neighbor's baby. You never get over them, but who would want to? You will think of her very happily eventually, remembering how much she brought to your life.
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VomMarischal,
That's a great picture! Love it! Just showsTRUE nature of a GSD. |
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So sorry for your loss. Like others have already said you really never get over the loss. I lost my big boy last Feb. Our vet said he had a horrific case of pancreatitis. It caused massive organ failure. I cry nearly every day. He was my Rock!
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Way to soon for you to be grieving for her. My deepest condolences.
Summer
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MNGSDLUVR, I am so sorry for your lose.
I would like to thank you for your info. I had an American Show dog back in 1991. His death was so much like
your little darling.
My vet was closed so I took Ozzie to another American Show line breeded in Old Town Spring or just Spring, Tx. I just did not know what else to do. The owner, Eugene had called me and said my Ozzie was better so I went to pick him up and as soon as I stepped into the kennel, I sat on the ground and Ozzie laid his head on my lap and died. I remember yelling and calling for help. They could not tell me what had happened.
My Ozzie's dad is Ch. Survival's Eclipse whoes Grandfather is that Stuttgart's Sundance Kid. Ozzies' mother is from the Covys Tucker Hill. And these people are so proud of what they did. My Ozzie was the best GS I ever had. It is sad that even today, so called professional, honest and responsible breeders are doing the same thing.
Without mentioning any names, there is a guy out of Florida doing this but in a sneeky way. At least that is what I think. If I had money, I would hire someone to really check him out so justice can be served.
Again, I am so sorry.
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| I lost a young male 2 and a half years ago, one of the best I've had. The special ones always seem to leave us too early. His issue were neural, but no matter why, it's never easy. I'm so sorry for your sudden loss, I'm sure it hasn't sunk in completely, just doesn't seem real. Hang in there and know you did all that you could have under the circumstances. My deepest sympathy. |
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Thank you for your condolences. It's been a very sad day for me. She was always the happiest dog, if dogs could smile, she would have been wearing one all the time, she was really a special girl. I think german shepherds wrap their little paws around our hearts and they give us all their love and loyalty. Hearing all the stories of loss is really hard, you expect to lose them when they get old, it just seems so much harder when you lose them young and so unexpectedly too. I didn't even get to say goodbye, but I did give her a kiss on the head and told her I loved her before I left the vet's office.
She was half american lines on her dam's side but she didn't have any of the dogs mentioned above in her pedigree, on her sire's side she was half german show lines and half working lines. I still have her mother who's 11 and her father who's 8. Annie did have boughts of SIBO once a year or so, in fact she was just finishing up 2 weeks on Tylan. Maybe the SIBO was a contributing factor, neither her mother or father have ever had any intestinal issues. My vet told me it's not genetic, that it can happen to any dog but German Shepherds have a higher incidence (I think that's the word) of
mesenteric torsion.
Her father is laying at my feet right now, everytime I look at him, I see her, she had his eyes and head (a female version of it) and his intensity. At least I have a little piece of her in him. I'm really going to miss her, hopefully she will be waiting at the rainbow bridge for me!
Robin |
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| what a beautiful girl. I am very sorry for your loss as well. But like so many on this message board have said and I truly believe, know that you gave her all the best love and care and also know she will be guarding you and yours forever. God Bless. |
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| I am so sorry for all your losses. What a terrible way to lose your dogs. I worry about that with mine. I took a K9 emergency course years ago and we learned about bloat and torsion. The veterinarians showed us how to needle decompress the belly of a dog with bloat and told use that we should always wait an hour before and after meals before exercising our dogs. They also said that there was preliminary data that the tendency to bloat may be hereditary though I haven't heard anything more. GSDs are very prone to bloat and torsion according to studies. Anyway you look at it, it is tragic and can happen so quickly. A dog used for SAR after Katrina went down with bloat and the handler decompressed his dog and then within minutes the medical helicopter took it to the nearest facility where the dog was saved. The only reason this dog survived is because of the speed of treatment. |
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The girl in my avitar was nearly lost last year to an intersusseption....I handed her leash over to the veterinary surgeon, gave her a last kiss & hug...we had agreed that if there was too much necrosis in the bowel when he opened her up that he would just not wake her back up....when I got back to the waiting room I just doubled over....couldn't stop shaking, or crying....they were so gentle & understanding with me, & with her....and they saved her. But we were so lucky. The vet thought it was the beet pulp used as filler in her kibble that caused it, but they said any dog with a very deep chest & narrow waist is suseptable. We really lucked out...my vet is just 1/4 mile from my house, & she hydrated her & sent us with her films, directly to the surgeon, saying,"Drive safely, but get there fast...you may have an hour." An hour.....it took us 40 minutes to get there. .jpg) Here she is last Sunday.
I'm so sorry for your loss...it happens so fast. But she is happy & watching over you now, waiting for you at the Bridge. Beautiful Angel Annie, RIP. jackie harris |
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For Sweet Annie : .gif)
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Hope the Memories fill your Heart with Joy, many of our Kids are there with her today...chasing Butterflies, birds and each other in wait for their MASTERS
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www.youtube.com/watch memorial vid for my 3 dogs, i picked out pictures and music, then a friend put it together for me.
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I am so sorry, this is so tramatic for you. We give our dogs the best food, vet care, and a really good home with lots of love. I hope this helps to remember there are things happen that are out of our hands and our dogs will be waiting for us when it is our time to be with them again. We have all been where you are today and we will hold your shoulders up while you heal.
Always,
Cee
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So sorry for your loss... it's always heartbreaking, even more so when it's a youngster like yours. I lost my Fawn to tortion despite surgery. She passed on the table (I was assisting) and we both just stood there in shock as the surgery had been completed when she just stopped breathing! *sigh*
MYSTERE....The American dog who died young, and had MANY progeny who passed from Toxic Gut Syndrome was GV Scorpio of Shiloh Gardens (Son of GV Mannix) . He produced very popular and beautiful moving dogs, but there were a lot who died by the time they were 3-4 years from Toxic Gut, Bowel Intersuseption and tortion. Many had been used before it was known. Those who survived went on to do a great deal of winning. GVX Charo, Sel Ch Augie, GV Winchester and brother Watson, Steel Curtain, Sel Tatta Two, and the most beautiful moving dog I personally watched Ch. Lolita. If you look @ reverse line breeding on his name you'll see many now famous dogs...
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| I can barely see for the tears in my eyes reading these sad stories. My heart goes out to all of you. Our beloved pets leave us all too soon. I am so sorry for your losses. |
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| my deepest sympathy.i too lost my beloved sable girl *ali* to bowel torsion late 2001. she had been perfectly normal all day then suddenly took to her bed,i knew it was a torsion of some sort and called the emergency vets to say i was on my way,10 minutes into journey she stopped responding to me and was in shock on arrival,the vet team took over straight away and after form signing they sent me home.only home 10 mins when they called to say that they reckoned it was a pyometra and were going in to operate .only half an hour had passed when i got the dreaded call to say that they had opened her up to find that her whole intestines had twisted top and bottom and unfortuately there was no tissue alive to attempt a re-section so the only option i had was to put to sleep.gutted was an understatement.................she was 2yrs 7mths...............her son died from the same at the age of 17mths and i lost her daughter *joeline* 2007 to a strange stomach torsion -strange because i had got her to vet in jig time and was there when she was opened up,both myself and vet agreed that everything looked well and he sent me home saying he would call me when he was finished and because she would be in overnight at least,i just got home and no more when he called to say that he'd put her to sleep.i was gobsmacked.he explained that when he turned her stomach to place back into original position he found that the hidden part of her stomach was dead due to a blood clot and that it was a godsend that she'd torsioned in the first place as the clot would have been harder to diagnose with a far longer period of illness and same end result.i have spoken to all my vets about this and have very little info on the torsion subject itself but all have agreed that it must have a genetic connection of some sort.has anyone else had similar problems with related dogs? . |
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| Was that GV Sukee's Mannix? Born 1983? jh |
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If memory serves me I believe you are referring to "Stuttgarts Sundance Kid"
I just found this dog several generations back in my current girl's pedigree. (I thought it sounded familiar) Now I'm worried about her. We feed her wet and keep her quiet prior to and after eating. I will start adding yogurt to her diet as well. Any other suggestions? I have no way of knowing if any of the dogs between Echo & Sundance died of Toxic Gut, if any. Does anyone have any info on that line? We have always been concerned about this condition but never really had it brought home like this thread has done.
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My sincere condolences for your loss. I feel your pain, I lost one of my males in Feb this year due to a torsion. He was a German show line dog. I still miss him deeply even though I have other dogs. He would of been 5 in September. I really wish they could find a definite answer to what causes this terrible thing in our breed.
My thoughts are with you and others who have also lost their dogs to torsion.
T |
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Had to wait to wipe the tears from eyes to post.
I'm so sorry for the sudden loss of your girl. We've (unfortunately) all been there and the pain is terrible. That is one of the most insidious (and hard to diagnose) forms of torsion. Rest assured, you did all you could do for your girl. My deepest sympathy on your loss. |
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Sel. Ch. Stuttgart's Sundance Kid (Bear)(ROM) lived to be 13, and was used widely to increase longevity. He was NOT linked to Toxic Gut to the best of my knowledge.
The dog who was widely known was GV> Scorpio of Shiloh Gardens (ROM). A LOT of his kids passed before their 3rd or 4th year from toxic gut and other digestive issues. (Scorpio's Sire was GV> Mannix of Franjo.. Mannix as far as I know was not an issue, but Scorpio and a number of his progeny were) Scorpio had an EXTREMELY deep chest and long ribcage.. He was hailed as a breakthrough dog at that time, and folks were breeding widely to him to offset weak backs... (the length he carried was in ribs rather than in the loin) but the great depth ended up creating other problems it seems. Of course his death was considered a fluke then, until his kids started having the same kinds of deaths... Very tragic. He was lovely, but faulted.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/403356.html
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Windwalker,
That helps ease my mind. Thank you for that post regarding Sundance. I have got to be the biggest worry wart mom out there. I freaked out when I figured out he was in my girls pedigree. It was like "YIKES!" I feel better now.
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Windwalker-
"Sel. Ch. Stuttgart's Sundance Kid (Bear)(ROM) lived to be 13, and was used widely to increase longevity"
"Bear" was born Feb.22,1980, HE DIED AT THE AGE OF 11, on June 21,1991. His lines were linked VERY heavily to Bloat. I may be wrong, but I believe his cause of death was Bloat. Many of the lines he was bred to, Covy Tucker Hills, Fran-Jo, to name some big ones were all known to have produced offspring with EPI ,Bloat, and Myelopathy. If you search his name there is a high number of offspring that had serious health issues.
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Robin,
We also lost our last dog when he was 6 (German showline) to exactly the same thing - mesenteric torsion. He occasionally had digestive troubles and looking back now we think he may well have had the beginnings of EPI.
We were on holiday at the time, one minute having a ball running on the beach playing in the sea and the next minute we were driving home in an empty car.... It's never good to lose our best pals but sometimes the circumstances make it hurt a little more.
Care & thoughts,
AandA
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I am so sorry for this sudden horrid shock! It makes me so sad to hear such a story. My own past beloved dog's passing was almost as sudden and shocking (albeit she was definitely older).
God bless you and your dog Annie. She will be in Heaven with your loved ones waiting for you. |
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Seems to me alot of blame is being cast on American types again, while people talk of how their own German-line dogs died of torsion, etc.
(Sorry this thread was hijacked) |
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| So so sorry for your terrible loss. We will keep you in our thoughts. May the good one be with you in your sorrowful time. |
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My mistake Re the age, mking... he was 11, not 13. However he wasn't the dog who was involved in the Toxic Gut scare backing the 80's. I know that he was WAY overused, and had a HUGE number of ROM qualifiers, www.gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/sdogs/StuttgartSundanceKid.html and while some of his get may have had health problems he wasn't known for it particularly, and many lived well over 10 year average for the breed. As I said, like so many great dogs he was overused, sometimes poorly matched, and widely inbred upon carelessly. That alone doesn't dimish the value of the dog himself.
My apology for hijacking the thread it wasn't my intent. I was trying to answer a question that was raised.
Regardless of the pedigree of our beloved dogs their death, especially at such a young age and so suddenly is heartbreaking and tears a piece of our hearts out.
The Power Of The Dog
by Rudyard Kipling
There is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
Buy a pup and your money will buy
Love unflinching that cannot lie--
Perfect passion and worship fed
By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.
Nevertheless it is hardly fair
To risk your heart for a dog to tear.
When the fourteen years which Nature permits
Are closing in asthma, or tumour, or fits,
And the vet's unspoken prescription runs
To lethal chambers or loaded guns,
Then you will find--it's your own affair--
But...you've given your heart for a dog to tear.
When the body that lived at your single will,
With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!);
When the spirit that answered your every mood
Is gone--wherever it goes--for good,
You will discover how much you care,
And will give your heart for the dog to tear.
We've sorrow enough in the natural way,
When it comes to burying Christian clay.
Our loves are not given, but only lent,
At compound interest of cent per cent.
Though it is not always the case, I believe,
That the longer we've kept 'em, the more do we grieve:
For, when debts are payable, right or wrong,
A short-time loan is as bad as a long--
So why in Heaven (before we are there)
Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?
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