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by Anne5928 on 11 December 2018 - 17:12

Yes, thumbs up @mrdarcy He seems to be banned lots of places. I have people messaging me from all over telling me their horror stories dealing with this man. I have found out all kinds of things.

by Nans gsd on 11 December 2018 - 17:12

Sad because if he is sketchy on this subject what else is he breeding and spreading around for this breed; not what our breed needs in our corner for health and well being.

Sounds like a real piece of work. Good luck with your bitch and I hope this does not cause her too much pain and suffering. So sorry for her.

by Gustav on 11 December 2018 - 17:12

If HD was not an inherited trait, then it shouldn’t make any difference how severe the hips are....just ensure that pups are raised optimally and there should be no problem🤨.
Environmental issues definitely contribute to HD, but to remotely think there isn’t an inheritable component flies in the face of countless examples.
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by mrdarcy on 11 December 2018 - 19:12

Ah the threat to sue.....know that one well.

by Koots on 12 December 2018 - 01:12

Kudos to the OP for standing up to that poor excuse for a breeder Bob. Glad to hear he is banned.

by joanro on 12 December 2018 - 02:12

Ofcourse there is a gentetic aspect to hd....but not exclusively. Still no one has come up with a good answer as to why sound hips for generations both parents still produce hd...environment.

The guy, fox, sounds like a car salesman before lemon laws.


by Hundmutter on 12 December 2018 - 08:12

While of course it could be something, as yet unidentified, in the environment, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that it also still could be something, as yet unidentified, as a genetic trigger. Genetics is not a 'finished' subject for science.

by Prager on 12 December 2018 - 23:12

I would absolutely not spay dog with HD because it causes hormonal changes which often make the dog overweight. This is a hormonal issue and can not be cured by exercise or by lowering food intake. So my advice is do not breed her and do not spay her.
As far as HD I like this definition by Fred Lanting: HD is a polygenetic problem with an irregular pattern, which is genetically predisposed and environmentally induced" Thus regardless of the environment sans injury if the dog develops HD it is of the genetic origin.

by Gustav on 13 December 2018 - 02:12

Joan, the reason hd can come from several generations of hd free parents is because each of those parents were selectively chosen by humans to be bred. But from each of those hd free parents the percentages say that there were OTHER pups in their litter that DID have hd. And these hd free selected dogs have the same genetics as their litter brothers/sisters that are dysplastic. That easily explains the occurrence based on genetics. True environment definitely plays a role, but parents aren’t going to pass environmental induced effects through sperm/eggs.

by Hundmutter on 13 December 2018 - 08:12

Yes Gustav, two examples I know about: Sire 1 HD low UK score (so OFA Good / Excellent equivalent), Sire 2 ditto. Both from several generations all HD cleared, XRayed & scored. Dam of 2 litters, one to each dog, also good low score herself and from at least 3 generations scored & cleared.

One bitch, each litter: first scored at 60 (29:31); second at 84.
All others in litters (both comprised of eight pups) HD cleared, generally very low scoring / below Breed Average.

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