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by Glock on 21 October 2017 - 17:10

Thank you so much for this koots. Once the helpers went off routine the weaker dogs were exposed.

by Glock on 21 October 2017 - 17:10

And Smiley very strong dogs if raised in black and white from a pup can do well in a family. However some have very dominant characters and may not take too nicely to a 2 year old sucking on their ear tip.

by joanro on 21 October 2017 - 17:10

Is there not a qualification trial for wusv, that would weed out dogs that were so easily run off the field?

Duke: " Hard dog can be handler hard, I prefer to call a dog that can take lots of pressure strong, and IMO hardness or a dog being strong, has nothing to do with a dog being preydriven or civil,

**so if a dog stays on the sleeve after out like Gero in the video doesnot say anything about being strong or hard, one way or the other."***


↑↑^↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ that was exactly my point to valk, who posted the video in the first place. That's why I ask him to explain how the 'hardness' of gero was shown in the video. He never did, because it doesn't.

I believe that dogs trained to focus on the sleeve, and rewarded with the trophy being the sleeve, and awarded so easily, allows weak dogs like those run off the field in the wusv video. Push them !
The man who helped me train my dogs for schH used to throw a woofle bat at them just as they came in on the long bite...it didn't phase them.
RichCarne

by RichCarne on 21 October 2017 - 18:10

Does anyone know who the dogs were that failed?

Were they from countries where we would expect only the best gsd to qualify for WUSV? For example, Germany , Belgium, Netherlands, Czech Rebublic, USA etc.

Or were the failures from some obscure country with very little competition to qualify?

Rich.

by duke1965 on 21 October 2017 - 19:10

many countries the dogs dont need to qualify, as there are not even enough dogs to fill the available WUSV positions

by joanro on 21 October 2017 - 19:10

Thank you, duke. That makes sense. So they would just need to have ipo3 ?

I had the opportunity a few years ago to go to a seminar with a decoy from Brazil who took his dog to the bsp...he was the only rep for his country.
BTW, he was a super decoy, trained by Jan kochs. That was some fun. Talk about putting pressure on a dog...
Jan took the lead from me on my female Ajsa Glitch while she was on the sleeve ( Omar, Gero's sire, is her grandsire, and Majka is three generation back, so she shares Gero's ped).

He grabbed her  flanks and lifted her off the ground, picked her up by the tail...she never lost grip, hard full bites and fought all the harder, the more Jan roughed her up. ( not coincidentally, one of her offspring qualified for the Nationals last weekend... he is out of the last litter that I bred from her)
Interestingly, when I worked my male, Body Jipo-me, Jan came over to do the same to him, but after seeing the aggression, he said, 'not with this dog.' :-)


by Glock on 22 October 2017 - 15:10

There is a common argument in the IPO community that because prey drive does not have a flight component , high prey dogs are not easily driven inyo flight. Here we seen in yhis WUSV that high prey dogs fled simply because of being shouted at. On the other hand these same persons argue that lower drive more civil type dogs get run off easily; but this latter assertion does not seem to be a universal truth as many of these latter dogs are known to scale aggression to match the threat. So is there a right theory about this?

by joanro on 22 October 2017 - 16:10

Interesting question, glock.
From what I have seen, the difference in either scenario is the amount of fight in a dog. The level fight drive means the difference between being run off or not run off. Doesn't matter if the dog is prey motivated or triggered by defense....the amount of fight in the dog is what determines his tenacity when challenged with an aggressive decoy.

by duke1965 on 22 October 2017 - 17:10

would disagree on that joan, not the fight but the courage is important, a civil dog without courage is nothing more than a fear biter, a prey dog without courage is an (sleeve)apporter at best.

@ Glock, it is true that high (prey)drive covers up for nerve and environmental issues, but it doesnot hide courage issues

while testing I see many dogs performing well when triggered in drive, but falling apart when all drive/triggers are out of the picture

 

yogidog

by yogidog on 22 October 2017 - 17:10

If the drive over runs the nerve your dog will let u down sometime IV said this from the day I joined this site. But I've heard from members prey drive is better and they are the people who never had a dog under pressure if the nerve is not the strongest part of your dog well your dog is simply a fake


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