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aaykay

by aaykay on 25 September 2017 - 14:09

Vaik:

5 - 58-60cm

C - straight, short croup

V - wolf grey, dark

1 - considerable hardness, courage, willingness to fight

P - strong head

Most of the above from the breed-survey is correct, except that the "P" represents "Outs from the bite on handler's order" (a sign of clearheaded-ness) and not "strong head".

Greta is in my 7-month old pup's pedigree, and he is overall a very strong pup, and I am sure she has contributed to that.  That first picture of Greta was shot from a terrible angle, and gave her an unflattering look. 

 


by ValK on 25 September 2017 - 18:09

Baerenfangs Erbe
i don't know statistic but my guess is, amount of those who import isn't big, comparing to back yard breeder and puppy mills (which is pretty much same).
i'm originally from former East block and can assure you, commercial breeding, as you know it in West, wasn't existed there.
well, there were some but mostly around rare, exotic breeds. german shepherd wasn't one.
breeding was "incidental" or fanatically dedicated hobby.
from incidental - dogs usually did ends up as a chain dogs.
from dedicated breeders - pups mostly was given away to friends/relatives but retaining most prospective ones for follow up use in breeding.
the outstanding dogs rather was exchanged between breeders than sold. at least i didn't known or seen someone, who did make their living from selling the dogs.

aaykay
you're right.


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by Baerenfangs Erbe on 26 September 2017 - 02:09

Importing of dogs to the US is a multimillion dollar business. It's a huge business, especially coming from Germany and the Czech republic as well as Mals coming in from the Netherlands. This is not the 80s anymore. It's easy, people go through working dog or pedigree database and pick the dogs they like and import them. A lot of people of people end up doing it commercially and get into the breeding business on top.


by ValK on 26 September 2017 - 18:09

Baerenfangs Erbe
still the drop in the bucket for a country of 300+ millions. then again, can you picture 
american german shepherds without constant injection of blood from european stock?
after all, the majority of the import still retaining at least some signs of previous qualities.
but the bottom line, commercialization did a major impact on the development of breed.
mass market in demand of show dogs - please, have your show dog.
mass market have on rise demand for IPO dogs - no problem, here is your sport dog.
at the moment, thing what left between those two - just a nothingness.
go to YouTube and see flood of videos "police dog", "SchH dog", "protection dog", etc.
it's a bad, depressing joke, not even a shadow of what working dog should be.


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 26 September 2017 - 19:09

That goes for every other country out there, not just the United States.


susie

by susie on 26 September 2017 - 19:09

"...thing what left between those two - just a nothingness."

Are you willing to explain your interpretation of "nothingness", so we are able to understand what you miss that desparetely?


by hexe on 26 September 2017 - 20:09

Given the sheer number of dogs that have already been brought into the US and Canada, there could be an embargo on the importation of dogs into these two countries tomorrow, and the breed would survive quite well here without the "constant injection of blood from European stock".

Granted, there are a lot of checkbook breeders in the US who know nothing more than the names of the most prominent dogs from reading forums and message boards, and it's true, that type of breeder will never be able to figure out how to reproduce the dogs they bought using the lines that are available here, anymore than they could actually train a dog from scratch to a working title [and I don't mean a 'Trick Dog' title]. Without the novelty of 'titled, imported parents' to sell their puppies, those individuals will soon pack up their tent and move on to some other trendy breed they can use to pay their bills, like French Bulldogs or American Hairless Terriers.

But there's no lack of savvy dog trainers and handlers and breeders who DO know what goes well with what in order to maintain the traits that make the breed. They'll keep producing well-balanced dogs that have the work ethic, biddability, strength, intelligence, utility and courage that are the hallmark of the breed, so the GSD will not become extinct here for lack of 'European injections'.



by dshlerner on 27 September 2017 - 03:09

Excellen post,Hexe ! Spot on as usual.

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by Baerenfangs Erbe on 27 September 2017 - 03:09

Exactly, if there is one thing American "Check Book" breeders are good at, it's in importing good and solid genetics. And there are plenty of breeders in the US that have solid bloodlines and understand breeding good and successful dogs. There is quite a bit of genetic wealth in the US.


by ValK on 27 September 2017 - 06:09

i don't mean to hurt patriotic feelings of anyone, but guys i'm not interested in oversized lap dog, neither circus type of IPO clown.
can't argue, i'm not a breeder thus not aware about great plans of domestic breeders.
but as a humble consumer, it took me over a year to eventually find from no name! litter a decent pup which did show desirable traits. and that's on geographycal territory nearly  half of Europe. most of what i saw during this search, sure, very much do resemble german shepherds but that's about all.






 


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