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May sound silly, but during the decades I learned to develop the ( for me ) positive traits in my dogs.
There is no perfect dog, and there is no perfect handler.
You can only try to get the best out of your dog . and as soon as you are able to do so, just be happy...
(and the personal goals are always different, the nightmare of one handler might be the dream of his neighbour ).

Their we go common sense. I will take that on board ☺

Susie wow! You guys see my Becky's work in progress! LOL Vk is not the only one posting his work

Has I think he does, I put my Becky's and Flavio videos here just to have more experienced people giving us a diferent perspective of what we are doing, I know that my club uses the old metods and I allways want to know learn more and see what we are doing right and what we are doing wrong, because my right can be wrong on other people's eyes and "vice versa"... It doen't makes me better or worse than anyone, it's is diferent methods, diferent dogs and diferent mentalitis, does it mean we must all use yellow?

Not the most experienced people "in the room" but that is my opinion

the video is 68 seconds long, the thread is 7 pages and counting, seriously.


Blitz would really appreciate if you chose to not be on my threads in future.

Ana this is a good site if you want to learn. But you must b open to suggestions and different opinions. A lot of knowledgeable people here as I said I'm 20 years learning. And still pick up idea's and thrive on good suggestions. The idea of who is better or worse forget about it or you will always b out to prove you're right and their wrong. The knowledge on this board is free soke it up. You will learn very quickly who is real all the best .

Unless told otherwise by admin, I'll respond to any thread I want, vk.

Do I have this right - training methods depend on the venue in which the dog will be working? For example, how would a GSD intended for IPO titling be trained differently than one intended for PP?

 

 

That´s a more than complex question!
Historically we tended to breed "normal dogs" with medium defense and medium prey drive.
There were and there are always dogs with higher defense - good candidates for police, or
higher prey drive - good candidates for sport.
In the beginning the foundation training wasn´t that much different, but during the years sport people learned new techniques and asked for higher prey drive, defense became more and more unimportant for SchH, whereas police still bought and buy the dogs that are higher in defense ( that´s no good word, they need alert dogs with lower threshold for single purpose dogs ).
Drug/cadaver/bomb detection came later on - these dogs need high prey drive, too.

But let´s talk about today´s training-

1. IPO competitors start training their dogs at the age of 8 weeks, using prey only for months, some forever.
The tug, the bite roll, the sleeve is the dog´s goal, not the helper. They are not interested in developing defense in a young dog.
They learn to bark and hold almost immediately, and through this progress they start to learn the "out" command.
The helper is no enemy, he only is the one who has the prey, almost neutral.
2. This is fun, but sometimes there are dogs who don´t like strangers, who don´t want to "play" - for them the helper is an enemy, they do bite the tug, but they want to bite the helper. These dogs need to be trained differently. During training they need to learn and believe, that they are stronger than any enemy. Normally they are trained later ( six months up to one year ), but regular IPO helpers don´t like these dogs - too much work.
3. Today police often is looking for "dual purpose dogs" ( that´s cheaper for the law enforcement ) - in this case they need high prey drive dogs with higher defense - and the top ( not the normal ) IPO competitors need some defense, too, because these dogs are better able to withstand helper aggression.

Every dog is unique ( prey/defence ) - the % varies from dog to dog, and different people tend to develop/suppress different traits.
A clear headed prey dog is able to learn very fast, that a bite suit is just another kind of prey, at the end of training you won´t see a difference.
But as soon as you are able to see the difference ( real life scenario ) it might be too late.

I hope it´s understandable, posts of this kind are too much for my English.

Yogi that is my point... we must all be open to suggestions but we mustn't critique (not so harshly ate least) those who have different methods of philosophies, right?
I know we made (and make, and will make many more in the future) many mistakes with Becky, she is our first GSD and we are only in the training world for about 2 years, and has I ask for help in the tread about Becky's behavior problems I will listen to you guys opinions, but should some of you break down on me for asking your opinion? don't think so right?
I'm not taking sides on this discussion, just silently reading and learning, but think some of you guys were to harsh on your opinion/critique and he was to "defensive" about it...

 

Ps.: I even have to thank all of you for leting me practice my writing in this dam language so love you all  peace

Thanks, Susie. I guess if it were easy, more of us would be doing it better. The breeders I know are mainly interested in performance and that brings a whole new set of training methods to the table.

Sucks being where we are in the world, technically its illegal to play tug with your dog, as a dog is not supposed to bite anything held by or attached to a human, people want to ban prongs, e-collars are apparently not supposed to be used, and you cant ride your dog with a bike attachment(springer, walky dog). crazy country.

I know what state Vk is in and after reading that he drove basically forever to go to a club, of which there are only two iirc, in his state, I have even better idea where he is lol
All I can say is go easy on the guy the first page of comments were pretty harsh, maybe sandwich a negative between positives, surrounded by advice.
eg. dog has a nice full bite there, I'd like to see what his control is like, he looks like a dog with lots of potential

 

Sorry just my two cents, But sch, ring pp sports are pretty small over due to the laws.