What I think Dog training Should be. - Page 2

i really ******* hate these things.  It shows just how dumb and stuck people really are.

First off, if you're squirting with water, it's no different than giving a collar correction, clapping your hands, yelling, tapping with a foot, blowing a whistle,zapping with an ecollor, or throwing chains, or any other object you can think of to break your dogs attention, provide an aversive to get him to stop, and move on.

It's the same damn thing, so thinking your better, or somehow different because your dog requires a squirt rather than a "shock" is asinine.

On the other hand, to the many of you that are out there thinking a "timeout" while training bitework won't work???? you're a moron.  It most certainly works, and works especially great for very high drive dogs.  Take that bite away, or the opportunity to bite and make the message clear and just wach how fast they respond.  problem is most handlers don't have the knowledge first off, the patience  2nd, and 3rd they like to believe their dogs are somehow different than the millions of other dogs out there.

So if you're using a prong, ecollar, and giving 'level 10" corrections cause your dog is so "hard", when with a bit of understanding you could control a lot with just your voice is equally as retarded as those that think a squirt from a water bottle is different than a check with a collar.

Some dogs require a squirt from a squirt gun, some require a firehose.

 zdog the point on the water bottle is a lot of these dogs will just try to bite the water. That's all. You can't say a "time out" will work on every dog either.......just as you can't say a correction will work on every dog.  That is the thing about training, it is always dog specific, and what works for one dog may not work for the other..

Ditto on z dog!

Put some lemon juice in the water.
Actually a squirt in the eyes from your handler is way different than going after the hose or sprinkler. Especially if you mark it with a verbal correction as well. If your dog doesn't think there is a difference between a correction and a game, you might want to get more creative about your relationship and training.

While training does have to be dog specific, if your dog likes to bite, a well timed time out (taking the opportunity to bite away) would get the message across. Of course, if your dog doesn't like to bite, it shouldn't be doing protection work in the first place so it would be a non issue.

 Changer are you referring to me? When did I say MY DOGS would enjoy the squirt bottle. I was referring to a lot of other dogs who would still try to bite at it. Sure you can squirt them in the eyes.....but is that more humane than a correction that people don't consider humane? And don't tell me I don't have a good relationship with my dogs.....my Huskies....they don't do bitework of course. I have a great relationship with them, they're all extremely well trained, and we also have a lot of fun together.

 And I'll admit, maybe I'm wrong about the time out part with the bite work. I'm not that experienced with that. Live and learn, right? And Changer, I'm sorry about my previous comment, that may have come across a little harsh.

I tell my dog, "no, no!". Then I tell him how upset he makes me. We communicate. He tilts his head as I'm talking and then proceeds to do what it was I was scolding him for, but I know he understands and one day he will obey. We're getting better at it. He used to chew my new shoes, but I got smart! Now I leave the already chewed shoes out for him to play with. The other day when he was chewing a new shoe on his couch, I tried to get it and he was so happy, he smiled and showed his shiney white teeth. He was so happy and cute, I decided to let him keep the shoe. I think we bonded quickly because we sleep together in bed. We are best of friends!

I am not really referring to anyone. If your particular dogs would bite at a squirt gun, then that wouldn't work as an interrupt or correction for them. And I have no idea as to your relationship with your dogs. What I am saying is that even if a dog loves to play the hose game, a squirt with a squirt bottle should come across as different to them because it is coming from you. And hopefully associated with some verbal cue or emotion from you. 
Yeah, you live and you learn about comments about training. Sometimes I think people should have to say, I actually got a couple V scores at Nationals, therefore I might have some opinions about bitework. Or, I hav trained a UDX dog, so I can comment about scent discrimination articles. Or, I have trained and worked a police dog, so I can comment about street dogs vs sport dogs, (but only on the street dog stuff!)
By the way, it cracks me up that most positive trainers think head halters are "positive". Ask the millions of dogs (who scrape their heads along everything) which they would rather have, a pinch collar (which they can make a choice not to get corrected) or a head halter (which lays right across sensitive pressure points even if the dog is not pulling.) Of course, every dog is different right, and I am sure that this data base can come up with numbers of dogs who love their head halters. :)

LMAO...yeah, right!