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by ValK on 03 April 2021 - 10:04

that's interesting about random low IQ purse snatcher and dog as preventive mean against that. but do you really would consider it as personal protection dog?
how about assigning such dog to watch after your kids or older parents and protect them upon necessity when you're absent?

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 03 April 2021 - 11:04

A PP dog should be able to protect the person and their belongings, car, home, etc, at all times, anywhere.
I agree that finding such a dog, genetically, is not the easiest part, if you want real protection, but, neither are the prices being asked for some of these dogs...$35K to $100K.
IF that dog has the proper genetics, first being environmental, it does not have to be trained to bite, another asinine expression, it just needs to be taught when to bite and to let go.
As far as engagement, like someone mentioned, unless I see that dog, be it a PP dog or a LE dog, engage and stay engaged on a person who is standing still in a corner or hiding under a car or behind your couch, wearing shorts and a shirt, that dog does not, in my opinion bite yet.

I have seen too many dogs that half engaged, front teeth, dont get me wrong, those hurt too, but, their body language was more of, "I want to not be here" type.
As Duke said, low threshold, high suspicion, under control, genetically chosen for their desire to engage and you have a great start, but, for me, until I see that dog bite, it has not proven itself yet.

by duke1965 on 03 April 2021 - 11:04

Valk, there are many different requirements IMO for PP dog, many "simple " crimes will be avoided if deterrent dog is on sight, needs to be present and bark on comment and that will do the job

then if serious stuff, attacks, burglaries etc that are aimed at someone for a purpose, not random, I think you need a little bit more than a deterrent, which most dogs sold today as PP are, 

than if you have risk of serious attacks on your person, you might want to have another level of dog

like hired dog says, if it need to be trained to bite or anything like that, to me its not PP material

Problem and subject of my topic is however that many people think you can buy just any dog, and the training is what makes it a PP dog


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 03 April 2021 - 11:04

The training will enhance the genetics already present, but, you cannot instill genetics if they are not there.

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 03 April 2021 - 14:04

Hird believe  me when  is say  this  is that  type  of dog you  described  in your  post .enough  discerning  nerve  to be always  switched  on but  enough  nerve  to hold himself  and environment  was good  enough  to bring  anywhere  safely  .in the car you  would  never  get  in. In  a yard  you  would  never  get in that easy  to handle  a child  could  manage  weirdly when he was off the lead and he lived in my home he was always stand offish with my family but yet so protective.lethal  on a lead  when needed  . He perduce  3 liter  with  3 different bitch  and females  never  did protection  their  nerve  was week  but 5 females  went on to use there nose  is different  areas  .a large  number  of males  went  to the police  and airport  police.. what  a male what  a protecter what a family  member  .all  the the gospel  he was that  good  .passed  last year  unfortunately https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnw00zfniv3mxsn/QUIK_20181119_204708~2.mp4?dl=0


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 03 April 2021 - 14:04

Blade, your dog sounds very nice. There is a combination that you some across sometimes of the right genetics, the correct temperament, no environmental issues, which is something I see a lot lately for some reason and a dog that can turn it off, after being properly exercised of course.
Personally, I want and must have a dog I can live with, first...nothing else really matters if that dog is stressing to myself or my family. Once we have that, the rest we have talked about.

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 03 April 2021 - 14:04

Hired he was a great dog in the house never wanted to be under your feet but at the same time was never any trouble loved by the whole family and everything else was the icing on the cake. I'm working with my young male 12 months and I tell you what he is going to be a handful for any one that get in his way .


Environmental will add so much to a dog with a type of discernment you need in a pp dog .other wise all you have is nerves unpredictability and with out of control aggressive behaviour .

by apple on 03 April 2021 - 20:04

I see a very limited use for a PP dog due to bullets.

Koots

by Koots on 03 April 2021 - 21:04

Apple - maybe in areas where people can legally carry a firearm that is the case, but there are many places where that isn't possible. A suitable, properly-trained dog may provide some sense of security.


by ValK on 03 April 2021 - 23:04

duke, i don't know. never trained and never seen a dog, trained for personal protection. i mean truly, professionally done selection and training, as i have heard it about such dogs was taught and how they were used back in 30s-40s to be on security teams of top officials of Reich.
as for other low key purposes, i wouldn't call such dogs PP dogs. it's just watch/guard dogs who isn't chained.
old my dogs had this naturally innate very strong protection instinct and wasn't in need to be taught acts or command to protect me when threat posed. but i never considered them to be personal protection dogs due to mentioned above. they was just my pet dogs. albeit well bred and trained, yet without involvement in any sort of pro.use.
i think all that talks among us amateurs nothing but just talks and hype to push our dogs step higher than they really deserve.





 


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