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by johan77 on 10 November 2020 - 18:11

Valk, yes I thought it was the anatomy you liked, but I doubt too much focus can be placed on such details if the goal is maximum health and workingability in a military/policedog breedingprogram. A more moderate size seems also what the user want, I was looking on the military breedingprogram own publications of the studs with best testresults in their offspring and this dog had the best values, not a very muscular and big dog;)

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/polishunden-gibbs-sparade-upp-smitarna/


by GSCat on 10 November 2020 - 19:11

by Hired Dog on 08 November 2020 - 03:11

GScat, DOD does indeed have a breeding program and Dr Hilliard was in charge of it. Why would they give rejects out to LE agencies, DOD breeds working dogs, if they reject one, what makes you think the local dept will accept a reject?
Lackland AFB is the training depot of working dogs and they do give out TRAINED dogs to LE agencies Nationwide, for free, under certain provisions that benefit both the LE agency as well as the DOD.
Those free trained dogs are explosives detection dogs, not patrol dogs, those are kept for uses within the DOD itself.

 

Some MWD dog candidates wash out from some training that is not needed by LE, but they're perfectly fine for LE use.  Department in the area had two of them.  One was dual purpose.  I don't know the details of who trained the dog for patrol.  The handler was extremely talented and experienced, so anything's possible.  Whether or not that violated any agreement, I have no idea because we never got a dog via that route.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


by ValK on 12 November 2020 - 10:11

johan77


wondering since when correct anatomy of german shepherd dogs started to associate with negative impact on their health and work abilities :)

i'm not objecting if dog with some minor imperfections, like ones, earlier mentioned by duke, still be used for work.
but when it's come to breeding - there are no secondary details. everything in mating pair must be perfect.
that is how breeds with its unique specifics being created, improved and kept.
if one start to produce GSDs whose looks and temperament resemble malinois then its not german shepherd dogs anymore but mali dogs.


bladeedge

by bladeedge on 12 November 2020 - 12:11

Valk that dog in the picture is far from perfect Imo mussel tone is week, eyes are light coat os what is making this dog look bigger I bet if he was wet you would see a different picture.

by ValK on 12 November 2020 - 13:11

are you serious?
try to place that dog next to another dog of your choice and compare them.
the muzzle in provided earlier picture hard to assess due to foreshortening of head been turned. in these  pictures lower jaw can be seen, as well the strenth of the neck, shoulders and chest and sturdiness of hips. pretty obvious those things not because of flufiness.
in regard of size, you're right - impression are that that dog is big boy. but i have seen picture of this dog next to breeder and would say dog actually is medium size.


by Hired Dog on 12 November 2020 - 14:11

Valk, how much would you say this dog weighs?

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 12 November 2020 - 14:11

Exactly my point. This dog is huge big coat big bone big structure. And Imo he doesn't have the mussel to Carry it. mussels on a dog need to

be lean imo this dog will burn out quickly Athletic I do think so stamina would be lost dragging that size around. Look how deep he is


by ValK on 13 November 2020 - 20:11

Hired Dog
i don't know. considering the size and sturdiness my guess somewhere between 80-90 lbs.
but thats doesn't matter as long, as weight consist bones and muscles. my previous dogs was in range 50+kg but that absolutelly didn't had any impact on their adgility and endurance. albeit they were biger, in structural appearance/proportions they very much alike this dog and personal experience to own and work such dogs is a main reason for my stand for this type of dog.
b.t.w. here is this dog seating next to breeder.

 

bladeedge
good muzzle, strong neck, average shoulders and chest, not well developed and quite weak hips. very common and fashionable in both (show and sport branches)  in present breeding the type of male dog of scalene triangle shape.


bladeedge

by bladeedge on 14 November 2020 - 03:11

Valk this dog is only about 14 months in this picture. So I think he is showing enough substance for his age. Everything is lean on this dog he is active and fit and strong. How many hides do you think your dog in the picture Could do. I doubt he could scale a high wall with ease. To be honest he looks fat. Strength and endurance excise builds power and explosiveness. It's amazing you think because a dog is not also holding extra weight he is not strong. I have one of those heavy dogs at home just no picture maybe a small video. So I understand what both have to offer with size and endurance. And I assure you I would be taking the lean dog on most occasions. But it nice to hear opinions on body and different likes and dislikes in each animal. I guess that is why the gsd have Changed so much over the years. Good or for bad we all think different





 


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