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yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 11:04

Baerenfang you don't need to socialise a 4 month old pup. Bull. Genetics only do so much. The pup needs work too and that is where the responsib owner comes in. O let's keep a pup locked up for 4 months and see what happens I don't care what the pedigree is. And now I know why all your videos are in a locked room or in a field.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 12:04

Nobody said to keep the puppy locked up for four months. I'm talking about what people perceive as socialization is not what a confident puppy actually needs. If all you see is locked room or in a field, you haven't been watching close enough LMFAO

My dogs are so shitty they work as succesful service dogs, produced successful working dogs and are literally spread out all over the country for as limited breedings as I have. plo

People believe socializing is to toss them into puppy groups and take them to frickin PetCo. And yes, I do take my puppies a lot into fields and nature because they need soft ground to run and play in and to explore. It's a 30 minute drive to get there. So they also learn to ride in the car and crate train at the same time. I do a lot with my puppies but I don't freak out over this lockdown because I don't need to take my puppies to PetCo (Diseases much?) or don't freak out over not having access to classes. And I'm pretty sure Duke won't freak out over the lockdown either because he can socialize and expose his puppies without the general public, just like I can.

If this is what you have taken from my comment that puppies should stay locked up than its you that has the problem. Not me.

Locked room? THAT IS MY BUSINESS! Where people come to train their dogs, you know?


yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 12:04

I never said you dogs were shit. I said you always train in a room or a field. But your opinion on socialisation is shitty

Koots

by Koots on 11 April 2020 - 12:04

I put a deposit on a Canczech dog last summer, after seeing 2 pups from a first breeding and meeting the dam. I will drive to the breeder in the beginning of June to pick up my pup then I have 2 weeks holidays to interact with the pup and get past the waking up during the night stage, lol. Fortunately, I am able to work from home right now....

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 12:04

LOL... People tend to train in buildings, and sport training is done in fields... every KNPV dog, every French Ring dog, every IPO dog trains in a field. Your point is? And yes, I do train in my building, because that's my place of business. Workshops are being held in other buildings... Everyone trains in buildings or in a field. That doesn't mean we are not going out with our dogs. I am the ONE person that has shared a shitton of vidoes of my dogs in public places and have a shitton of videos in the public environment. My entire breeding program is based on environmental stability and nerve strength. I've sent dogs back to their breeders because they couldn't walk through a sliding door. I don't make compromises. And yes, environmental stability is genetics. No matter how much you expose and unstable dog, you maybe able to cover up a few things but it will never go away. And I will not ever breed a dog like this.

I'm not sure what you perceive as socializing but I can tell you what the general public in my area believes because I see it every day when they come for an evaluation. You can't make shitty genetics look good with socializing, you just can't. Good genetics are good genetics. People believe puppies have to be petted by every person they walk by to socialize a puppy. Well, you know what? They don't! All they have to do is to walk by people. That's socializing. Petting only instills major pulling, frustration and reactivity in young dogs.
We tell the puppy that they get to see every person they want, once they are 5 months old, all of a sudden they are no longer allowed to. So the puppy gets frustrated, starts barking and pulling to get to that person and people don't understand why their puppy is all of a sudden a maniac. Well, for the last five months they put more value in strangers than in themselves. That's why.
If they would just walk by, and put value in themselves, they wouldn't have all these problems. This is the overexcited and frustrated puppy that was created by a misguided believe of how to socialize a dog.

Than there is the fearful puppy that doesn't want to meet all these strangers and hides behind the owners legs. What does the owner do? Force the puppy out to be petted. So the puppy learns that it can't trust it's owner and becomes reactive out of fear, which then turns into fear aggression. They learn that when they react, people take a step back. Owner never even realizes that he created the issue in the first place.

So yeah, this is actually the perfect time because people will leave you and your puppy alone. I'm so sick of the American arrogance and believe that every puppy and dog is public property. You don't have that in the majority of European countries.


yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

I'm not here to argue with you you train where is suits you. And yes people train in rooms and fields but depending what you want out of your dogs. Iv done crowd control in supermarkets, over the counter pp dog in shops night work at banks, car security, and so on. And for all that you need a strong environmental stable dog. You can never do enough environmental stuff and definitely never to early to start.


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

You mean like this? https://vimeo.com/314176639

Yogi, I am always out in public. I am disabled. Both Athos and Champ are also Service Dogs. They have worked in situations most dogs will never go through. Especially hospital situations. I know what to look for in dogs. They are literally put through the wringer environmentally and anything that's not stable, is washed out. No exceptions. I want to see novel reactions in order to gain information. I expose, I socialize but not the same way pet people would do.

Again,  exposure and socializing will never make up for shitty genetics. It will enhance good genetics but it will never make up for shitty genetics. You'll always see the cracks.


yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

I didn't watch the whole video as my Internet is crap at the moment. Nice video all the same. What I seen it the video is empty rooms shopping with nobody around who said the dog does not react differently when packed with kids running around and a very busy area not saying he would. a training room with 1 person. I just reminded me of obedience in an empty field every thing goes good until some body enters with a different distraction. And guess what everything is way different and the dog loese focus and falls apart iv seen it many times. Not saying your dog but some dogs.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 11 April 2020 - 13:04

Omfg... you know what, I dont have to proof anything to you. How about you show us some videos.

I dont have the ability film everywhere I go in public. My dogs speak for themselves but I have YET to ever see anything from you.

If you think environmental stability is not predominantly genetics than you dont know as much as you think you do! No amount of exposure will make up for shit genetics. Genetics and Environmental Stability go hand in hand. 

And this bs right here, is why the forum is dead and why I rarely ever come on anymore. I have better things to do than to be insulted like this. 

Most able bodied people dont even do half the shit I do with my dogs. Only chance I get to train my dogs is late at night after everyone went home after business hours and you dare to imply that I do it to cover up flaws? 


yogidog

by yogidog on 11 April 2020 - 14:04

As I said I'm not talking about your dogs I said genetics and environmental stuff go hand in hand but one is week without the other. I did say I was Not saying your dogs were not environmental stable. You are way to emotional here this was never about your dogs it's about buying dogs. I made a comment about my pups being stuck and were being raised correctly. And you jumped in with a wrong opinion. So this is my Last comment on this matter you are way to emotional for me. And by the way most people stopped coming here because of that reason emotionally challenged people that can't see further than their noes. Stay safe and have a good day





 


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