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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 04 November 2019 - 10:11

Both my registered GSDs were chipped by the breeder. Eska, the working line girl, was also tattooed.

It depends on the breeder. Good breeders do it as a matter of course. And so does the local Humane Society. My cat is microchipped.

by hexe on 04 November 2019 - 19:11

NatureDragon, all I can say is, FFS. There's no excuse for that...even shelters and rescues chip their dogs these days. I'm really disappointed in the 'customer service' you've experienced with the purchase of your pup--I fully expect better of that kennel.

by Rik on 04 November 2019 - 20:11

AKC is a registry, not a breed club. there is no way they will ever require chips or tattoos for registry as probably 99% are pets and people just simply would not do it.

they can require DNA, Chip, etc on breeding animals because the breeder must comply to register the litter.

I guess the hardest lesson for anyone to learn is to get everything you are paying for when you pay for it.

really hope things work out well for you and your dog ND.

jmo,
Rik

edit to add I agree 100% with hexe that better should be expected from this kennel, especially since their ad and very famous stud dog pop up every log on.

as they say, always 2 sides to every story, but if ND doesn't get what was paid for, then the other side needs to come out or it all needs to come out.

by NatureDragon on 04 November 2019 - 22:11

I'm not complaining about my puppy, I really like her. She is not as bold and confident as my dobermans were at her age, but she is a different breed so I don't expect her to be the same. Plus my dobes came from outstanding sires and dams, and outstanding breeders who invested time and money into rearing the puppies from birth until they went to their new homes. I came from a breed where the responsible breeders(show and working both) usually join a breed club and not only held each other accountable, but supported each other too. I was just asking what is norm in GSD breeders in USA. I am kind of surprised that a top breeder would not invest more into their breeding stock and the offspring that they produce. Kind of like being a home owner, a person tends to take pride of ownership and take care of their home. I got a GSD puppy that I paid a decent amt of money for, and so far I don't understand why she was so expensive. I don't think it's a big deal that her registration papers were not ready when her litter was born, but I would think that the puppies would be ID'd some how. If the folks running animal shelters for unwanted pets can do it, then people producing awesome purebred dogs can do it too. Anyway, no one forced me to buy my puppy, and I should have not assumed anything but even if I was told my puppy would come with anything, once I send the money, there is no guarantee. I didn't even get a Bill of Sale.

by Rik on 05 November 2019 - 19:11

I replyed to this post thinking that the OP was really wondering about why the AKC didn't require ID.

since, I have heard (true or not) some pretty disturbing stuff, since it involves a prominent U.S. breeder, a very famous dog, a very well known and till now respected kennel in the U.S.

I considered them since I lost my Regional Segerin to cancer recently.

I think that a kennel of this note deserves the opportunity to respond if the OP is faking it.

If what ND is saying is true, paid thousands for a pup advertised on this site and got screwed then shame on you PDB if you keep the ad up.

ND, if you don't get what you paid for, you need to provide your proof to the admin. and start shouting it out.

also, imho, it is just as easy to get screwed in Missouri as it is in Serbia

Rik

 

edit to add, I just said Missouri because I lived in Eureka, worked in Fenton for a lot of years.

not because any "famous" dogs or puppy sellers with ads here are in Missouri.

by NatureDragon on 05 November 2019 - 22:11

I am trying to figure out what is normal with GSD breeders in usa regarding ID'ing the puppies that they produce. My orginal post had nothing to do with AKC.
I'm not sure what you think I'm 'faking.' I have a wonderful puppy here next to me that I paid a decent amount of money for, more than the average that I see advertised for similar types of GSD's, but not 'thousands'. She came to me healthy and happy, just with no sort of identification.
I wish I knew what to expect but I didn't. Stating what I got or didn't get with my puppy is not complaining. The breeder has his own choice to run his kennel and sell his puppies how he wants. I just didn't know the 'norm' for top GSD breeders, simple as that.
You can get a puppy from the same breeder and I'm sure you will be happy with the puppy. And you will probably have better luck than me, especially if you know the breeder and kennel. I should have asked for the information before I paid for my puppy(I asked AFTER I sent the money) so that part was my fault. I didn't get any sort of a contract, sales or otherwise, so not much I can do at this point except wait. Kind of a drag but not the end of the world. Once her AKC registration application comes, I can order a 3 generation pedigree, and get her chipped.





by Rik on 05 November 2019 - 22:11

sorry ND, thinking I got some poor info over the back channel and I apologize for getting involved.

good luck getting it sorted out. and congratulations if you got that pup for less than 4 figures.

best,
Rik


Koots

by Koots on 06 November 2019 - 00:11

I find it interesting that a 'top GSD breeder' would sell a pup without a contract or some method of ID.
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 06 November 2019 - 04:11

I agree, Koots !!!

NatureDragon, it is of course up to dog breeders to sell their pups with as much, or as little, added info. as they choose; and it is true that we usually only get the answers to questions we ask (either before or after purchase).

However if you have followed discussions on PDB for any length of time, you will know that in talking about "What Makes A 'Good' Breeder ?", the concensus has mostly been that  an ethical dog breeder avoids issues and provides buyers with the best service by means of: providing clear & workable paperwork with pups, including an ethical sensible Sales Contract;  making sure the purchaser has the means to verify all the health, ancestry and Registerability information on their new puppy; is clear with their buyers about anything they need to do, that the breeder has not yet done (whether that be Registration, vaccinations, socialisation, whatever).

Even if buyers are happy with less, that does not free the breeder from this moral responsiblity.

In my experience over the decades, when breeders cease to do these things automatically, they may be starting on the slippery slope, where the money is becoming more important than the welfare of the dogs or the satisfaction of the customers.

I have no idea who this particular breeder is; but perhaps Rik's suggestion that the breeder be invited to reply is not a bad one ?

 

by NatureDragon on 06 November 2019 - 10:11

I know but if a breeder is not going to be accountable, there is nothing I can do. There is no law in USA saying that a breeder has to sell puppies with some kind of ID. And I never got a guarantee with my puppy that the puppy would come with any sort of identification, other than her AKC registration paper, which I'm told will come 'soon.' If you look at the adds on PDB for my puppy's litter for sale, they do not mention any kind of guarantee, they just mention about how wonderful the bloodlines are and basically what a great dog you will get. So there is no false advertising either. Again my original post was about what is the 'norm' in usa for breeders of the GSD and puppy identification, that's all.
It's not the way that i would do it, or anyone I know personally who breeds purebred dogs (or horses, or sheep or cattle) would do it, but to each their own. You can't force or make someone be what you consider to be an 'ethical' breeder.
The breeder didn't do anything 'wrong' as far as I can see. Just because his standards don't conform to ours for selling puppies, doesn't make it a crime.




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