Reckless Aggression , where does it comme from, and which lines are known to pass it down? - Page 7

I have always been of the mind set that a bite from a large dog that wants to bite you, for defensive or prey purposes will hurt enough to give you pause.
In the case of a personal protection dog, its enough pause to allow one to get a gun, goal of bite accomplished. In the case of LE, Valk, that malinois you posted the video of, would turn you inside out with its initial entry if you were a suspect with no suit on. The mind hit alone would suffice to take most suspects out of the game, but, if you wanted more, I am sure the handler would be really happy to accommodate you again, as much as you like.
I have seen dogs let go when approached by their handler and I have seen dogs that refuse and bite with even more intensity and do not want to let the handler approach the "prey". I have also seen both types willingly re-engage when told to.
Again, this is 2019 USA or Canada, not Europe circa 1970 and as much as some people may not like it, suspects also have rights.

I think the guy approaching the decoy to help him up was a judge because he was wearing a tie. If he was the handler (I've never seen anyone trial wearing a tie) one thing to consider is that some Dutch handlers are very hard on the dogs, to the point of abuse.

The guy that approached was the judge, they dress well when judging in Holland. You are indeed correct apple, some handlers are very hard on their dogs and that would be the reason the dog backed off.

I have heard of Dutch handlers beating their dog with a shovel to get the dog to out. The entries for some of these reckless dogs can easily lead to injury because the decoys essentially jam the dogs. That is not how I train, but people don't realize how much drive some of those dogs have and how difficult they are to handle. Even though some of the handling and sport is abusive, it is part of the reason many dogs in the KNPV program are so good because the weaker dogs get weeded out, whereas in IGP, it is almost the opposite approach, especially at the club level.

Apple in the old days it was much harder than today, if someone beat his
dog with a shovel today or whatever KNPV kick you out and dismissed forever.Don,t believe
all that stupid idiot  stories you must be more careful what you post on this board.

 

Have you never heard of a KNPV trainer taking a shovel to a dog? I didn't say when it happened. I know of a good stud dog here in the states that is a Mal X who can't be worked because his former owner damaged his larynx. But that didn't change how he produces. That was not from "the old days." I agree that KNPV trainers are using more inductive ways of training and I believe the old style dogs have decreased in population and the sport has become watered down some, just like some of the other sports

BlackMalinois the black colored X could pass for >50% pit bull judging by head and shoulders. Beautiful animal and not oversized like some of the Dutch dogs. Was this dog bred with any success and is there still experimentation with these types of performance X’s?

 

Apple I have never seen some idiot beat his dog wit a shovel and make a lot af damage and ruined the dog,do you think they are stupid here...I,m not saying they are  saints here.

@GK1 this dog is breed again with some malinois and there are some
good succesfull offspring.

 

 

LOL @ black malinois, 

IMO the reaction of the dog on the judge stepping in shows what happened in training, says nothing about the dog being weak or whatever, just simple pavlov reaction

 

@ Duke that dog is from 2016 Jan Huiting named Ody if you look good the timing attack  is not good so he make contact with the legs from the helper not the biceps.

If I,m honest a strong dog will never do let go because there was no any command fom the handler for the out., There was also a lot of noise in the stadium that moment maybe a nerves issue?? anyway not my typ for  a strong street police dog.

 

feel more sorry for the helper he easy can break some legs.