Reckless Aggression , where does it comme from, and which lines are known to pass it down? - Page 5

Koach - do you know the pedigree or lines of that dog?

Koots,

That's way back but the more I think about it the date was maybe more mid 70's and the father of this dog was, if I'm not mistaken Enno v Antrefal.

This has been a nice thread for sharing ideas ..
K9L1 Yes species that form social packs are interesting . Yes fear , is comunicated chemically , with intention of removing unpleasentness ,and signaling distancing but the opposite is true too . Pheromones are given off chemically for the opposite ,with the purpose of pleasently attacting. I often said the understanding , teaching and interacting of dogs is Zen ....There lies in dogs too , Ying/ Yang.

 

 BE , good comment ... And I add ... so do children !!! And in today's world,  I find this more and more ,to be the case , just saying .. 

The scent of fear is a friend to the police dog. This is especially true when the dog is working through heavily contaminated areas.

My own experience when tracking multiple suspects is the dog has a tendency to stay on the track of the person who has the most to lose if and when the suspects separate (shooter, driver, aggressor, etc). This may be contributed to the dog’s association with the fear scent and the elevated levels these suspects may have. I say tendency, as this is not always the case and the dog may elect to follow one individual when they separate based on the same factors when practice tracking with multiple track layers.

Valk,
Your anti prey comments are inaccurate IMO. Firstly, recklessness has to be operationally defined. What is considered reckless to one person might not mean reckless to another. And I would argue that hunt and prey contribute to recklessness. Some KNPV Mal X's with extreme prey and hunt make spectacular, reckless entries on the courage test. Prey drive is useful in teaching a dog the fundamentals of biting so the dog becomes very proficient at it. It is also used to channel from defense to prey, which builds a dog's confidence and develops his fighting abilities. To mention a group of aggressive soldiers has nothing to do with dogs. They could have simply been psychopaths.

Koach I missed your ost .. But , I like that adjectiver " Sovereign " . I will add : Intersting anyone that has rubbed people that race in the Iditarod , have a similar type viewpount about their lead dog as they decribe as " King " dog in the sled. Those odgs ahve Exception instinct andf decisoion making processes , which the whole sled team and handler places their life on when guoding the sleds. Ine small mistake can be critical and cost the whole team their lives. My point is : to find those instincts in a King dog is not so easy .. not the very day sled dog. This is akin to the type of dog Koach and I write about , except for the fact that it is not about aggression but rather other inherited , rarer genetic traits.

Duke.... with much repsect , you oftensurprise me with some of you commentary because I know you are reasonably expereinced. The type of aggression in the post toic is genetic based . Aggression : rhetorically , is this not based on genetics ? Is not " Aggression , in all it's kinds and amounts , one of the Attributes and Traits that define and make up the overall expression of Temperament ? Of course the answer is unequivocally YES !!! Duke .... I am dumb founded how you can say that this Reckless Aggresion is not genetically based. Although all behavior has a gentic and as well a learned / environental component . However Aggression in and of itself is directly linked to the autonomic nervous system and to the over all make up of that dog or that individual person for that matter [ that is why it is part of temperament ** ] .

Although definitions and descriptions of dog (and human behavior) may be somewhat helpful to steering the discussion, rarely will there be consensus; “recklessness” a case in point. That prey has nothing to do with protection/fight (per Valk) I contend is incomplete theory. Prey can be an important component to sustaining, projecting, pursuing and dominating. But not necessarily the only component. What you say about some Mals (Apple) may be accurate, but are there no GSDs with this capacity? Or would such reckless lol “hussar” GSDs be out of breed standard?

Again, it depends on what behavior you consider reckless. Regardless reckless entries with some Mals, I have never seen a GSD that could match the extreme entries of some Mals. I think that is because they are different breeds and Mals are smaller, more agile and some are extremely more driven than a GSD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcaAPhThnBM

 

 

 

Here is a link to what I consider some reckless entries in KNPV. While they are impressive, it only tells you so much about the dog such as their level of prey drive, commitment to the bite, agility and possibly frustration aggression related to extreme prey drive.