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by apple on 28 June 2019 - 17:06

I think pushing helps develop a mindset of forward aggression in a dog, which is a more confident type of aggression than when a dog is pulling because sometimes pulling is a sign of weakness.

by K9L1 on 28 June 2019 - 22:06

Apple look and see many videos of predators in the wild finishing the prey. Many of them rip apart the prey ( great white, crock, and big cats ); there is very little evidence that those predators are afraid of the prey.

by K9L1 on 29 June 2019 - 04:06

So centurion or Apple . Which one is more confident a 2200 lb great white ripping of a diver’s leg or one that pushes in when he bites? I’m guessing the one ripping off the leg is closer to flight😷?

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 29 June 2019 - 06:06

Apple s and oranges.  Tongue Smile


by Juno on 29 June 2019 - 11:06

Actually if I am not mistaken the GW does have a pushing bite. It bites in and shakes it head to rip of pieces and then comes back and does it again.

by Juno on 29 June 2019 - 11:06

Actually if I am not mistaken the GW does have a pushing bite. It bites in and shakes it head to rip of pieces and then comes back and does it again.

by Centurian on 29 June 2019 - 13:06

Again no right or wrong... but I want to share some thoughts .. for whatever they are worth . It is always good to throw around different ideas ... that is what we are here for , yes ?

The pulling bite , seems the same all the time , but it is not .

How can liken this in the dog world. We see the expression of what appears to be at times the same type of aggression in two circumastances . However , they are not many times , the same kind** of aggression. When we understand the aggression in two different circumstances we can see that the aggression is based on and is expressed by differnt underlying thoughts, feelings and motives of the dog in different the two circumstances. . In simplicity : what looks like the same kind*** of aggression many times is not - but it looks like the dog is doing the same thing and it is not . We all recognize this if we understand aggression .

Apples and oranges .. do not look and compare apples and oranges as Hund points out they are . Wild animals are wild animals and domestic dogs are just that . So let's just talk about demesticated canines :

Does the act of ' pulling while biting' represent and can it be an expression of two different kinds of aggression , which is often misinterpreted too . I say , YES indeed . When a dog is pulling in the bite in one interaction can it mean something very different from another dog biting and pulling in an interaction . Yes it can . One type of pulling can be the expressiion of a very strong dog mentally trying to reach his goal in tha tpulling/biting manner and this dog has particular thoughts and feelings , motives . On the other hand , a dog pulling the bite , may have differnet and the opposite feelings , thoughts , emotions and goals , such as : I will encounter but to a point that I make certain that I will keep myself safe .

Like a human fighting : I will fight by using the stategy of fighting/staying out of the arm's reach of my opponent . That is to say : I am staying away , as oposed to committing myself to fight in that other person's body space where I amy have more risk of getting hurt. Therefore , a pulling bite can be a representation of a dog with two different kinds ** of aggression. One that is thinking it is in control and powerful and uses that tactic to overccome anbd subduye it's opponent and the other , uses a different tactic and is not as brave as one would think encountering it's opponent. The latter one can say : has weaker nerves , that is....

Personally , one thing that I learned a long time ago : In the dog world not everything is at it seems to be.. Just as I learned that people are not alway who and what you think they are ....Same for the dogs too -With the dogs - it just took me a while to see the conmnection...

by duke1965 on 29 June 2019 - 15:06

pushing has nothing to do with fight, courage or any other mambo jambo, its simply prey/posession, desire to get more prey,same as idea that pulling is sign of weaknes, that is for the ones that really dont understand dogs themselves, and parrot some internet trainer guru Shades Smile


by duke1965 on 29 June 2019 - 15:06

Centurian, people can pretend to be someone they are not, dogs dont have that mindset

by ValK on 29 June 2019 - 15:06

apple
Some dogs with those traits are very good dogs, but a lot are also stressed and on the verge of flight.

apple, there was widespread sarcastic proverb in communist bloc - i never have been to America but absolutely certainly know how oppressed and miserable life of americans are.
if somewhat paraphrased to your perception of eastern bred GSD it should sound like - i never had and never saw those dogs but absolutely certainly know how bad they were :)

emorig
How ironic that the standard calls for, among other things, a dog who MUST possess instinctive behaviors (not trained), resilience (hardness) and self-assurance (confidence).

also quite noticeable absence of protection instinct in majority of today's GSDs in both, show and work camps. diligence of western breeders successfully reaches goal to make this breed just an oversized toy breed.
sure, the dog in video looks like good dog. the problem not in dog but in sport oriented preparation of dog, destined to work in real life on street. safety of dog in such training is neglected because " no harm to dog should come during exercise" mantra and poor amount of scenarios of active physical interaction. even in existing ones all ends in same culminating final - bite and hold. 


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