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by ValK on 04 January 2019 - 02:01

Koots
he is a long-time competitor. If anyone can get the dog [good] breedings to increase his genetic contribution in America, it is him.

is that means US should expect high influx of dogs, well suited for sport to make serious clime against EU at top level competition?


or just a fresh opportunity for US breeders to promote produced litters as typically was done before with anothers well know imported from EU dogs?

:)

joanro
Ripper is one of a kind. I wish I had been able to get him as a puppy

i just took look at his background. pretty heavy DDR influence. on paternal side he's from XIa Pushkass's line.

bladeedge
higher drive female would be a dog that is Ball food and prey mad

i'm not a breeder but in my illiterate opinion it seems using such pattern, you will end with good sport candidates already in second generation.

:)

Koots

by Koots on 04 January 2019 - 04:01

Valk - I cannot speak to the future possibilities and genetic contributions of this dog but I figure that he can help improve the breedings and dogs here. Isn't it the goal of good breeders to use the best possible genetics to produce dogs suitable for excelling at many types of work? At least now the breeders in N.America have relatively easy access to Pepper's potential and if paired with complementary females, the chance to take a breeding program to the next level. More choice of great dogs is a good thing!

by duke1965 on 04 January 2019 - 05:01

it will all depend what females come to be bred, thats the case for any male out there
bladeedge

by bladeedge on 04 January 2019 - 09:01

Valk if your going to be a smart arse piss off .
That's not what I said it a short explanation of the questions u asked .

by duke1965 on 04 January 2019 - 11:01

bladeedge, you write you need fooddrive for obedience, this is problem of modern times, dogs have been trained for decades without fooddrive, and all of a sudden nobody knows how to train a dog if it has low or no fooddrive, think that is one of the downfalls of modern training systems

by joanro on 04 January 2019 - 12:01

It's the points, Duke, it's the points.

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 04 January 2019 - 12:01

Duke it is and that is why everyone thinks that they can train a dog . I've been working with these types of dogs most of my life as my father had them with little or no food drive Ball drive hard dogs with little or no time for bad handling . I have both now and this is why I add a little more drive to my pups much easier to handle and allot more responsive to handler . when you have a 40 killo dog looking at u when he's not in the mood you can't change his mind set with a ball or a handful of food . You had better know job . modern dog training works with mordern dog . My male with mordern training will destroy and handler . He understands the rules but so do I Wink Smile

by apple on 04 January 2019 - 13:01

Valk,
Firstly, the better KNPV dogs are unregistered Mals/DS crosses, with some other breeds outcrossed to in the past to bring in other desirable traits. The result is that there is no beauty show aspect in these dogs and they are selected strictly for working ability. They have much higher prey and fight drive, which is a challenge for handlers and KNPV handlers tend to be much harder on their dogs, even abusive, which weeds out softer dogs. There are many more exercises in KNPV than IPO and the exercises are more difficult and less choreographed/predictable. The jumping exercises are more difficult. There are water exercises. There is food refusal, small object search and the man search is in the woods and not on a flat, groomed field where the dog always knows where the man is "hiding." The stick attack is more intense with the dog being struck before he actually bites and often the stick is broken over the dog's back. Being a suit sport, the bicep bite helps weed out weaker dogs that might do well on a sleeve. With a bicep bite, the dog is up close to the decoy and in his face. Plus, the suit is not a clumsy Michelin man suit. There is the object guard. There is not the emphasis on huge, calm grips, which can negatively effect selection for breeding leading to the loss of some very good dogs, who don't demonstrate a huge, calm grip. There is a silence exercise under gunfire. There is a gun attack. A recall off the decoy and a false attack where the dog is not allowed to bite. And the best dogs are not considered the point dogs as often is the case in IPO. Even after obtaining a PH1, dogs that go on to be police dogs need additional training. Compare that to IPO where the show line dogs have to have an IPO title. If the show line GSD had to have a KNPV title to obtain their breeding papers, there would be no show line GSDs left. And as I said, the better Dutch Mals/DS's are not registered.

by apple on 04 January 2019 - 14:01

http://www.vankamphuis.com/Gerben.pdf

Here is a link you might be interested in.

by apple on 04 January 2019 - 14:01

I don't know why the link doesn't work, but you can Google interview with Gerben Kamphuis. I fixed it.



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