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by BlackMalinois on 29 November 2018 - 19:11

 



And you children and master trainers here have noticed the worldclass decoy bring the dog in drive with the whip !!!! says all to me


I,m out of here going back to the training field


(Let the dog be a pup and wait /if dog is adult/mature ,stupid idi#@%s here civil drives with a 6 months old pup) Next question would be how we can see civil drives in 6 weeks old GSD  I,m waiting for it...........

 

by ValK on 29 November 2018 - 19:11

emoryg:
I notice the decoy setting the grip on the leg sleeve and letting the dog know he has done right as he pats him on the side. From early on we like to see the dog counter under stress. This is not some guy with a leg sleeve loving on a cute puppy. This is a highly skilled decoy teaching a puppy to counter. Please watch the hands of the decoy as he manipulates the dog to adjust. Note how he takes the lead and pulls the dog into the leg sleeve.

nope, you're wrong.
that's work of handler to direct, correct and prise dog. opponent must remain an enemy to dog in any circumstances.
what did decoy, in fact contradict purpose to which dog is trained and does steer an aggression based fight into play fight.
don't be surprised if dog, after such training, would be confused and shocked, receiving from opponent painful punch instead of being pampered.
leave development of more efficient way to bite and fight to being figured out by dog itself, from own obtained experience through trial and mistakes.

susie

by susie on 29 November 2018 - 19:11

Just my 2 cents...

Most people who want to own a "civil" dog want to own Rintintin.loving family and friends, defendIng the property, easy going, always listening to it's handler without any training...

Might be a surprise, but Rintintin doesn't exist, and never existed.

In reality 99% of households that ask for a "civil" dog just need a stable dog.

You really want a "civil" dog?
No need to wait until the dog is 6 months + old...
Watch a litter or maybe 2 or 3 -
The pup, not afraid of anything, but always curious, not at all interested in strangers, not begging for praise, not following the herd, should be your dog.

emoryg

by emoryg on 29 November 2018 - 19:11

Valk, always enjoy reading your feedback. Thanks

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 29 November 2018 - 19:11

Absolutely agree with b. Malinois about the whip . Valk your on the money 👍

by duke1965 on 29 November 2018 - 20:11

Valk, thats dumb statement, 99 % of sportdogs work in prey, so no need for decoy to be enemy of the dog

 

by duke1965 on 29 November 2018 - 20:11

LOL @ BM, who never titled a dog, faulting trainers who title dogs almost every year LOLOLOLOLOL

owner/trainer of that pup is mentor of many in KNPV for decades

who said something about keyboard trainers again

Prager

by Prager on 29 November 2018 - 20:11

In the end the fact is that if the dog is civil ends up be for 2 reasons
1/ Dog is what I call type1 dog ( genetically predisposed to do more than bark but will also bite without training)
2/ and this is majority dogs dog is civil because the training methods used o the dog.
I would not recommend type 1 dog to families unless they are serious about their dogs.

by ValK on 29 November 2018 - 20:11

susie, good hints on to what pay attention during selection..
for some reason people don't understand (or could be i have different perception) dog's "civility".
if "civil dog" means a dog, who can produce bite to human flesh, then all dogs are "civil".
difference comes in play only in what circumstances, on what conditions that bite gonna happen.
1. dog do bite as last resort in selfdefense.
2. dog do bite due to high territorial/possessive temperament but will go into avoidance upon bumping into bold,  superior opponent.
3. dog do bite because of own overwhelming urge to dominate/subbmit or kill opponent.

thus, before to start search for "civil" dog, one must be sure what exactly you're looking for, for what purpose and be aware of consequences of owning dog with that particular temperament.

 

duke, i'm realy sorry if you took my remark that way but then what purpose of your demonstration of pup in topic about early distinguishing of "civil" tendency in pup.
so far aggression toward human behind equipment isn't welcome in sport.

Jessejones

by Jessejones on 29 November 2018 - 21:11

Susie says:
Most people who want to own a "civil" dog want to own Rintintin.loving family and friends, defendIng the property, easy going, always listening to it's handler without any training...
Might be a surprise, but Rintintin doesn't exist, and never existed.
In reality 99% of households that ask for a "civil" dog just need a stable dog.
You really want a "civil" dog?
No need to wait until the dog is 6 months + old...
Watch a litter or maybe 2 or 3 - 
The pup, not afraid of anything(!), but always curious, not at all interested in strangers, not begging for praise, not following the herd, should be your dog.

Right on Susie!

This constant preoccupation with civil is astonishing. 

Most people couldn’t handle a dog that is truly civil... and the dog ends up being the loser in most cases.

Professional LE is an exception. But not much else.


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