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by Vito Andolini on 29 October 2018 - 02:10

Joan,

Did you read everything I wrote? I feel you have skipped over what I stated. Here's a video of my boy when we were out for slurpies.



by joanro on 29 October 2018 - 02:10

Yes, Astro, I read your post.
My question was, how would limited registration have changed the horror stories of those breeders?


Video is a no-go.

by Vito Andolini on 29 October 2018 - 02:10



by joanro on 29 October 2018 - 03:10

Here's a couple more pictures of pups I sold for " family dogs" with FULL registration....

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Same pup in the wagon@ 10 months old....his dam is littermate to the female who tore up the intruder.

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Half sister ( same dam) to the female that tore up intruder @ 18 months old

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This dog, full registration, now has P1,2,3 and PD1 titles. Nobody touches his kids except family members!


by ValK on 29 October 2018 - 03:10

picture to show the dog is gsd or whatever breed, and CKC registration can be bought

Joan, where from you got that disparaging opinion about CKC?
at some point i did consider to purchase pup from former DDR breeder, who did quit SV in 1991 and switched to UCI e.v. i even asked here if anyone familiar about transfer of registration from UCI to CKC. none responded, so i contacted CKC and have been told - an imported from Germany GSD can be registered in Canada only if dog has SV registration. and that despite i could provide for that dog an official pedigree many generation back into DDR registration.

BTW, probably ninety percent of the people who buy pups from me have no intention of breeding their dog.

then my guess such buyers shouldn't be concerned too much in regard of full or limited registration. after all if you continue to be in touch with them and noticed that pup grown into outstanding dog, you always can advise to change registration and try the dog's potential in breeding.
and contrary, if your pup got into wrong hands and didn't turned out well, sure you can't prohibit use in breeding but at least such breeding would be dead end of that venture. the offspring de-facto will be washed out of GSD breed. 

isn't that a purpose of limited registration?


1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 29 October 2018 - 03:10

Valk~I appreciate your post above. Those are my thoughts as well.

by joanro on 29 October 2018 - 03:10

Valk: then my guess such buyers shouldn't be concerned too much in regard of full or limited registration. after all if you continue to be in touch with them and noticed that pup grown into outstanding dog, you always can advise to change registration and try the dog's potential in breeding.
and contrary, if your pup got into wrong hands and didn't turned out well, sure you can't prohibit use in breeding but at least such breeding would be dead end of that venture. the offspring de-facto will be washed out of GSD breed.

***isn't that a purpose of limited registration?***

Me: no, it was to be able to register dogs that would disqualify in the breed ring; such as wrong color, missing testicle, etc. Not to put stipulations on the owner of the dog, and to then lift the limited status after demands are met.

valk, let me ask you....if you are registering a litter of puppies at four or five weeks old, and registering them individually, why would you think it is an advantage to make all of them Limited instead of just going with full.( Even you said you never bought a dog with limited, so why the pressure to get me to put limited on my pups...)
It is a crazy thought for me to lift the limited registration as big a pain as the paper work is, of a dog that belongs to someone else, so that *I* can breed their dog!! I don't do that...I have my own dogs if I want to breed a bitch. With only one litter a year, I don't need to take a dog that doesn't belong to me to breed. I'm not interested in breeding a dog that does not belong to me.....I keep back a pup for myself from the litter, I don't need someone else's dog.

Anyway, you are not going to stop unscrupulous people from breeding a dog by issuing limited registration. That's a joke.

CKC = Continental Kennel Club
Not Canadian Kennel Club you are talking about. In the USA, it's Continental , not Canadian. Sorry. I guess I should have spelled it out instead of the acronym.....didn't mean to confuse anybody.

Btw, that is not a "disparaging opinion" about the CKC, it's the way it actually operates.


by ValK on 29 October 2018 - 04:10

Joan, i'm not breeder and in fact, seeing how badly things goes, i really regret for never did have interest to learn about breeding.
but hypothetically being a breeder and seeing pup from my breeding turned to be superior dog, i wouldn't mind paperwork effort and maybe even use that dog in my program, if present owner have no interest in breeding.
anyway it's not like such work would be often and permanent time consuming.

when you says "I don't need to take a dog that doesn't belong to me to breed" i think you very unwisely narrowing your options in betterment the breed by upping quantity of good dogs and forcing out of market shitty breeders or you just don't care what goes on beyond you little private space.

1Ruger1

by 1Ruger1 on 29 October 2018 - 04:10

Valk~ good post 




 


by joanro on 29 October 2018 - 04:10

Valk:
when you says "I don't need to take a dog that doesn't belong to me to breed" i think you very unwisely narrowing your options in betterment the breed by upping quantity of good dogs and forcing out of market shitty breeders or you just don't care what goes on beyond you little private space.

You have your opinion, valk, I have mine. You are not going to shame me with your insults, to take a dog away from a family that lives one to three thousand miles away to breed it ( when I have at least one littermate already)...and what happens to that family who owns only one dog, whose job is to watch over the house hold because  people wanting to do harm to children...what happens if the bitch ends up with serious complications during delivery? Anything is possible, ya know, and it's not my dog.

A person would have to be pretty hard up to breed a litter of pups from a dog that belongs to a family, who have spent time and money training the dog, not to mention the emotinal attachment
If the breeder of my bitch,  Ajsa Glitch, came to me and said; she is super, scored great in protection in your sch2 ....I want to take her and breed her just to see how she produces.


I'd tell him to go pound sand!!!!

So I answered your questions, and all you have in return are insults....

good luck with getting your candian kennel club papers squared away.
 






 


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