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Joanro said, “I would be a hypocrite if I did not give the same to buyers of my pups***. Has nothing to do with money.”

You have an ethical responsibility as a breeder to first and foremost protect the life you are responsibly for bringing into this world, period.
Your buyer is not the first priority, nor is your concern over whether or not you appear to be a hypocrite.
Yeah, I suppose if you’re selling a car maybe, but you’re dealing with living creatures! 🙄

I would be concerned very little about whether or not I’m viewed as a hypocrite and more concerned about doing what I can to prohibit this animal from adding to the over population of pitiful creatures.

You could hold back the full registration until the animal has proven its worthiness to be bred. Seems fair and reasonable and if you’re selling your puppies to people of good character and I sure hoped that’s the case they would be ok with you maintaining that kind of control.

I can think of only one type of person who would have a problem with that, and that’s someone who doesn’t give a damn about a breed standard or the importance of all the health and temperament screenings that have been put into place to keep non breed worthy animals from being bred.

I believe that taking this type of responsibility is the moral and ethical position to take as a breeder and in keeping with what an ethical, knowledgeable, and experienced breeder would do.

If your motive and goal is to better the breed by further adding to its “over population” then by all means please make it near impossible, as much as you can control, to prevent more substandard pups being brought into this world.

If you truely want to do what’s best for the puppy and also for the breed as a whole, you should be taking responsibility even after the pup leaves your property.
That’s the issue I have with some breeders. Once the dog leaves their property they are on to the next litter.
Hands washed ~
People suck !

Ruger, I do not need to be lectured by you.On to the next litter? Right. My last litter just turned twelve months old one week after, to the day, this current litter was born. And the litter before that will be two years old next week....that's ONE litter a year.

Youare way out of bounds, Ruger, preaching your holierthanthou at me. Why don't you go troll those who are guilty of the shit you are throwing at me.

Finding people who will take responsibility for the dog they get is primary. Otherwise the pup ends up with people like the owner of the pup in the thread, "this add!!!" But you would not understand that because it does not fit your prejudiced narrative.

If you breed dogs, you have the right to sell with limited registration...but you do NOT have the right to dictate to me how I manage my litters. You are condemning hundreds of excellent breeders by saying the only people who would sell without limited don't give a damn about the breed.

Double standard is your way. What is off topic according to you when I post, is just natural progression of the thread when you go off topic. And worrying about me being moderator of a stupid thread, while you feel you have the right to moderate( dictate) how I manage my litters.

Worrying about being seen as a hypocrite? No. It's a matter of treating others the way I would want to be treated. You can't understand that because you treat people with your ignorant prejudice.

You have nothing to offer so you spend your time trolling and throwing your negative nastyness at people you know nothing about just because you feel you have the right to be gsd breed gestapo!

You are really getting redundant with all your bullying. But this is what pdb used to be all the time when you were on here years ago....sjw like you constantly steriotyping anyone who breeds gsd.

You come accross as a self-righteous hack! Don't forget, you are one of those "people suck!"

Ruger you know the TOS 

This thread became a sticky for some reason or I would have taken care of it yesterday.

 

 

And by the way, my above post speaking to my opinions about breeding and such was not directed to anyone in particular, though I was responding to joanro’s comment. Those are my personal feelings and convictions about the topic no matter who I’m speaking with. For some reason certain people keep making it personal. 
If what I said hits a nerve that’s not my doing. I believe I have the right to express what I think and I also extend the same right others.

limited registration is an American thing.

basically it's saying I have these GSD that I want to cash checks on, but they are pretty much sh#t so I don't want anyone else to breed them.

or it's hey, I'm a control freak and if you buy one of my dogs, I;m going to be in your life for as long as you own it.

usually, LR, are offered from breeders whose dogs never make it past the pet/backyard stage.

waiting to be corrected.

Rik

Rik~ I believe that the German SV has a higher standard then most others and has not the need for limited registration.
You said limited registration is an American thing, for what reason do you think that is?
 

Rik ~ I would like to express my thought differently so I can be better understood.
The SV is basically giving a limited registration until you meet certain standards and criteria with your dog.
Essentially the SV has put a safety net in place to keep the riff-raff out lol ~
We are like a bunch of cowboys here in America being a law unto ourselves and it has not served our breed well

Rik lol sorry iv been busy for the last couple of days.
for the answer to your question a few pages back im from ireland.
im good friends with a member that is posting on this site for a number of years some members will know who he is from there private massages .

Look what the SV did to the breed.....ie, black and red show lines.
Anyone who wants to be CONTROLED by the SV should move to Germany.
BTW, SV papers are NOT the same as limited....housands of SV pups and adult dogs are sold world wide yearly, which are then bred without SV blessings.

Riff Raff don't need registration papers....all they need is a picture of the dog to prove it looks like a gsd, and they can get ckc registration. Tons of " riff raff," advertise ckc reg dogs of many breeds.

Seems that limited registration should be applied to the TOS here on the PDB too, but sadly they have chosen to allow the riff-Raff in and have made them feel quite comfortable. Such is life ,,,🙄
A standard of fairness and decency certainly isn’t being upheld here, no more then the standard in the GSD world ,,, And when the riff-raff move in the decent move out and all that’s left are poor examples of the breed ,,,,

Ruger, I have bought several SV pups/dogs. they all came with full SV registration. there were no restrictions or limitations as to what I could do or not in the future.

I called LR an American thing mainly because it was the brain child of The American Kennel Club. mainly, American was what tipped me off.

there are many times dogs should not be bred, health issues etc. and I can see responsible breeders taking steps like LR to insure they are not. having 2 prices on otherwise sound dogs is not usually the mark of a responsible breeder.

my only point is that I would not buy a dog under LR.

as far as the SV (a classic straw man argument), if I want an AKC Champion title or obedience title, rally or whatever, the dog has to meet the requirements set by the organization. No different than SV.

Rik