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by beetree on 09 October 2018 - 17:10

This article goes more in depth. However it does not mention the Mal, specifically, only that military families were the only ones allowed to continue with their suspended PetSafe program while it reviewed its policies by May 1. Could be they had issues with Mals escaping crates in cargo. I could imagine that would have given some baggage unloaders quite a surprise when they opened the hold.

“If you take away the brachycephalic breeds, if you take away the animals with preexisting conditions, that number would be incredibly low, and I would also state that when you look at the total number of animals flown, 140,000 [note: it’s 138,178], it’s still an astronomically low number of animals that suffer some sort of incident,” Hobart said of the report. “However, it’s high enough to concern us, suspend the service, and find ways to do it better. And it’s certainly a concern for our customers, and that’s who we’re looking out for when we do this.”

There is a debate over wether brachycephalic breeds should even be allowed to fly in cargo at all, the Times noted back in 2011. Between June 2005 and June 2011, 189 animals died in flight, and 98 of those were brachycephalic, according to the Times, which led to some airline bans. (The Times also notes that if dog owners want to fly these breeds, they can opt to use a pet airline like Pet Airways, which does charter flights and can cost a pretty penny.)   http://time.com/5228475/united-airlines-animal-deaths/


by GSCat on 09 October 2018 - 17:10

Jessejones wrote: I often think that if I were as rich as Gates, Bezos, or Elon Musk, I would by a Pet airline for fun....and make half the cabin as kennel boxes with a connecting door to the human cabin. No joke, I bet there are enough people that would pay twice the amount of their ticket price (probably A lot more than that!) to bring their dogs along this way. Even putting up with barking - better than crying babies sometimes. Smaller space allotment, more money for airlines. The amount of people with dogs that will do anything to make sure they are safe and with them is huge, this might even work. I can dream can’t I? In the meantime, I’ll just buy or lease a private jet...which I did look into once...haha. No go.      

 

 

I would like to see the people and dogs (and cats) together so owner can watch over, pet, etc. during the flight.  And if the crate is set up front to back and the GSD, Malinois, Siberian Husky, etc. can stretch out, the person next to it would have enough leg and reclining room to be comfortable and not inconvenience the person in front or back.  Better yet, maybe even have the seat inside the crate (huge floor to ceiling cage instead of a regular crate).  First Class could have play time, doggie/kitty massages or bigger cages to accommodate play. And for everyone, doggie walk areas by the people bathrooms to avoid unnecessary clean-up.  And disposable litter boxes for each cat.

The best part would be avoidance of thrombosis for the humans from sitting.

 

Can I be the VP in charge of design/operations for your new airline?  

 


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 09 October 2018 - 18:10

GSCat-
LOL! Sure, we do need a VP with vision!
Lets also include flat wide screens showing DogTV and a nice juicy raw femur bone in each kennel!

I‘ve even checked out sailing with the Queen Mary II to Europe with my dog, but they only allow dogs in the kennel area, with visitation rights a few times a day.
https://cruisemaven.com/travel-with-your-pets-aboard-the-queen-mary-2-kennels-to-england/

While I‘m here...I‘d like to do a shout-out for any oligarchs or blue stock CEO‘s, that may have a private jet going from the west coast to Europe, preferably Germany, and would like some fun company on your flight.... my dog and I would love to join you. Just pm me. 😊

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 09 October 2018 - 18:10

In an ideal world, GSCat, oh yes ! Much more civilised way to transport pets (although your suggestion only covers people who WANT to travel with them, not the huge number shifted as freight between home country/breeder and import purchasers ...).

None of which fantasy comes any closer to explaining the reasoning (if any exists) for the prejuducial banning of Malis for their "jaw strength", as Prager asked and still no one has had much idea about ...


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 09 October 2018 - 19:10

What’s not to understand?
United thinks the Mali’s will chew their way out of the kennel box...strong jawed dogs. Is this stupid...yes. But it might have happened to them...and, most people making rules for companies don’t know dogs or breeds. Just making rules on hearsay or perhaps a few incidences of loose Mali’s happened.
Like I said earlier, a lot of the cages are flimsey and the dog has a few hours in the dark to work on the wires and chew the plastic.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 09 October 2018 - 21:10

Yes Jesse - but why only MALINOIS, in that case ? And where do they get the stuff about jaw power ? Suppose I was an airline administrator, who wasn't a 'dog person' and knew shit-all about different dogs, why wouldn't I tar all large powerful breeds with the same brush, of being more prone to the posibility of breaking out of their crate ? I've seen what a determined GSD can do to a strong plastic crate. I've also seen what a Great Dane did to one, once.

What happens with Show people wanting to move a Mali Showdog ? Not impossible the dog would chew its crate, just as much as a manwork trained dog; but would the ignorant still be relying on supposed "jaw power" to ban them, when they would probably not be so afraid of the dog being a biter ?? [Not saying a working dog is MORE likely to bite, you understand, but those dogs which have to put up with being handled by dog judges can usually be relied on to be LESS likely to snap at people than dogs which are not shown.] There is no more room for a distinction / qualifying facts here, than there is between the Mali and any other breed. Prejudice, pure n simple.


Prager

by Prager on 09 October 2018 - 23:10

good points Hundmutter.
i was thinking some "adviser" to united hates cops and their dogs - maybe he or someone whom he knows got bitten by Mali K9.


Jessejones

by Jessejones on 10 October 2018 - 00:10

Hundmutter-
Yes, it is always people that know nothing about dogs and breeds of dogs that make the rules. Paper-pushers and their lawyers. New rules, more often than not, don’t make sense anymore.

Look at all the city managers creating tiny dog parks in the USA. Bad enough having a dog park, but making it worse, they always only have ONE in and out gate. Nice place for bully dogs to hang around and to attack newbies coming in. Just one thing among a million other bad things about dog parks...but yet they are all over every township.

All of our freedoms are going to be curtailed over the next few decades, in the name of safety.

I’m afraid I am a pessimist when it comes to the human element.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 10 October 2018 - 07:10

Yeah, that point about Dog Park gates is really a good example, isn't it ? As the Dog Park idea starts to find footing in the UK I must watch out for that one !

 

@Hans: maybe. (But still no excuse ! Omg Smile)


by GSCat on 10 October 2018 - 19:10

A quick Google search... link to a list of the dog breeds with the strongest bite force (grouped by type) https://topdogtips.com/dogs-strongest-bite-force/

Malinois 195 pounds.
GSD 238 pounds
The strongest is Kangal, at 743 pounds.

Interestingly, the Caucasian Ovcharka isn't on the list... maybe the studies that were cited didn't include this breed.

I agree the only likely possibilities for the unreasonable discrimination are someone the decision-maker at United knows got bit by a law enforcement maligator or that's the only breed that destroyed a crate/got loose in the hold on that airline. There's absolutely no good reason for it. If the problem is mali fitting in a smaller, less robust, airline-approved crate, then don't let that crate be used anymore and make sure it's in the dog shipping instructions/rules.






 


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