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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 04 October 2018 - 06:10

Agreed, Jesse.

To answer Val's question, its not that each toe is 'broad', its the gaps between them; the whole foot is a little more spread than it ought to be IMO.  Just look at, and compare with, the feet in the photos earlier in this thred.


by ValK on 04 October 2018 - 15:10

i understand what you're talking about. but i don't know much about confirmation and all that funny/honorary things
and i don't understand what advantages/disadvantages between splayed and tight toes.
that's wolf feet, who's on average runs 10 to 30 miles per day. 50-70 miles per day isn't something to kill them, as well.
sort of, the wolf’s legs does feed him. i thought feet i posted, should be just perfect.

by ValK on 04 October 2018 - 15:10

An image

here's another splayed toes.

 


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 04 October 2018 - 16:10

What can I say, Val, the domestic dog is not the wolf. I'm talking about what was wanted by those who set the GSD Standard, I was not one of those who wrote it. There are a host of other Breed Standard requirements, in a host of other breeds, too, which take our dogs away from the basic wolf ancestor, and what it was built for & what it can do. Do we pick one feature of the wolf and say "Our dogs (today) must be like that, whatever reasoning went before." ?

by ValK on 04 October 2018 - 17:10

absolutely agree that dog isn't wolf and differences between them unavoidable.
but even so, GSD from very beginning meant to be working breed, which in turns mean to have highly efficient physical build, including feet.
sure some people likes tight, alike cat feet but i very much doubt efficiency of such feet, other way the wolves should have similar tight feet.

 

Admin edit..thread is about feet/paws not cow hocks so do not go there on this thread please. mrdarcy (mod)

 

 


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 04 October 2018 - 21:10

No - and if you had actual eyes on as many UK showdogs as I have had, you would know that the pictured 'hocky' dog is not, and never has been, typical of GSDs in my country. Even German imports.

Look, I'm not defending the Standard, or even some folks' interpretation of the Standard, but it is what it is; and if somebody is looking to produce or exhibit any aspect of the GSD breed with a view to it being judged against the Standard, they need to be aware of what it calls for (right or wrong).  If, rather, they care most about function, (and what they believe is maximum potential for the best function) then obviously they will lean that way, as they do with toplines, never mind feet.  I don't believe the Standard calls for 'splayed' feet, if it did some jokers would use the wolf's travelling distances to justify dogs with feet a foot wide !

Agree with you about 'cat' feet being too tight for optimum function ... but as I already cautioned, CAT feet are not wanted by those paying attention to the Standard, either.

 

 


Koots

by Koots on 05 October 2018 - 03:10

In some areas, the wolf's foot has developed into the type that gives it better chances of survival. In the case of slightly splayed toes this may be due to the need to be able to walk on top of snow and the wider toe pattern acts like mini-snowshoes. The GSD was not influenced by this need so the smaller, tighter feet serve a different purpose - IMO it is more related to tight turning, quick-moving dog. I also agree with Jesse that good, strong pasterns (and straight, moderate-length hocks) are more important than tight feet. But it all goes together to allow the GSD to perform it's intended functions of a versatile working dog.


by ValK on 05 October 2018 - 18:10

Koots 

tighter feet serve a different purpose - IMO it is more related to tight turning, quick-moving dog.

i'm not sure about that part.
as you can see from pic above, coyotes, who hunt for small preys, to be successful need to have high maneuverability.

but yet, do have feet similar to wolves.


Rik

by Rik on 05 October 2018 - 18:10

well, just pick a GSD and trace it back to the beginning and there are quite a few from the early years with pretty tight feet, thick pads. check out Hektor (1900/1901 GV). maybe they didn't know about the wolf then or what it took to herd.

anyway, if a serious breeder gets all the way down to the feet making the difference in a breeding, then I'm thinking they have some pretty good dogs.

JMO.

Rik

edit to add, we have a pictoral history of the GSD from the very beginning (including the feet) availlable on PDB at a click.

why would anyone need to use wolf or coyote in place of the standard. not meant to be antagonistic just that right or wrong or how far some have strayed, there would be no GSD 100+ years later if there was no standard.


Rik

by Rik on 05 October 2018 - 19:10

my goodness, look a the feet on this Sigerin from 1905. Vefi von Niedersachsen, sorry too tech challenged to make live.

these same feet have somehow survived into some of the dogs pictured in this thread.

Rik






 


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