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by duke1965 on 06 July 2018 - 07:07

 

Agree Rik, these dogs are easyer in the house than extreme high prey drive dogs, one only has to be smart with dogs like these when visiters come etc.

no problem, in older times it was quite normal to have such dog and lock it up or put it on chain when visiters come, and tell them not to go near the dog.

Today mindset is on kissable,lovable and pettable dogs first, even a bunch of USA vendors and policedepartments are like that and wont buy these type of dogs.

I have been breeding minimal till now, 2 litters per year average, but I am setting up larger breedingprogram with pedigree GSD and Malinois to provide these type of dogs as the dogs coming out of sports breeding are getting less and sess seriousness and therefore less suitability for LE other than detection jobs, you wont believe how many dogs today bite a sleeve real good, but wont bite anything else than that

 

Must say GENERALLY as we still see some lines in both breeds bringing strong dogs, but thats minimal and the good ones are getting sold more and more and therefor taken out of the breedingprocess in europe

 

by ValK on 06 July 2018 - 19:07

 I am setting up larger breedingprogram with pedigree GSD and Malinois to provide these type of dogs as the dogs coming out of sports breeding are getting less and sess seriousness and therefore less suitability for LE other than detection jobs, you wont believe how many dogs today bite a sleeve real good, but wont bite anything else than that

 long overdue. all the best to you in your aim.


by gsdluvr123 on 06 July 2018 - 19:07

That video was a real eye opener to me. I am definitely a very interested novice. It seems a dog like this, is a more stable dog than one with the crazy high prey so common in sport dogs.

Are breeders creating temperamental instability by mixing this with high prey dogs?

by duke1965 on 06 July 2018 - 20:07

gsdluvr123, good question, but it is my firm believe to have balance, so for me, this male I will breed to less civil(but must have some), higher drive females, I think if I would breed this male to identical type female it might create dogs that are unbalanced, same as prey to prey only, will bring unbalanced dogs to the other side of the scale

by gsdluvr123 on 06 July 2018 - 21:07

Thank you for your reply. A balancing act for sure. No 100% either way. Just hope for the right results.

by Rik on 23 July 2018 - 17:07

I really don't think a lot of people understand or have seen a really civil dog.

a couple of examples from my limited experience.

1. when I was still handling, I was helping a friend (SV judge and long time breeder) get his dog ready for survey. this was a dog who knew me, I would consider not high prey drive and moderate civil. during ring training session, I was standing, not moving while the owner was doubling the dog for stance. when the dog couldn't get to owner, he came up the leash and bit me in the face.

2. another friend had an ASL that was high prey and again what I would consider low to moderate civil. his 6 yo nephew ran past the dog and was downed and bitten before anyone could react. another dog saved the boy from serious injury by reacting instantly. he placed the dog with a LE agency and the dog served for several years, but he was dangerous.

I can't imagine anything more dangerous than high prey (interpret as high point in many cases)/civil in the hands of less than the most experienced. if I wanted a dog from the experienced breeders of "real" GSD breeders posting here, I would specify as close as they could determine some civil (may have to be determined from pedigree, knowledege of pedigree for puppy), low prey.

jmo,
Rik

edit to add, able to pass survey Teeth Smile once a show person, always a show person.


by duke1965 on 27 July 2018 - 07:07

Rik, I was a show person, but definately dont give a sh....t anymore LOL

an IPO helper looked at him yesterday, and concluded that this behaviour is result of bad socialising and if socialised properly, this dog would show no agression and work for sleeve in prey only, it has nothing to do with genetics he said

I respectfully disagreed with him, but this shows where we are right now in the breed and in the sport


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