6 1/2 mos Hip xrays...Opinions Please - Page 8

"Puppies are born with perfect hips, and if the hips do not develop laxity the dog does not develop hip dysplasia (Riser 1985)" [<<>>Riser = Founder of OFA***].

 "Joint laxity occurs when the head of the femur does not fit snugly into the acetabulum. This could be the result of traumatic injury [like slipping in slick swimming pool used for whelping] , overloading of the joint by weight, lack of muscle strength, or adductor forces (e.g., bringing the legs together)[because pups can't get traction on floor in whelping area so they can't ambulate properly]. ***Joint laxity is the primary factor that predisposes a dog to the development of hip dysplasia."

"People need to be careful who they 'listen' to."

Yeah they sure do.

Something to consider is what stake a poster has in the game.

My girlfriend and I have none--we're not breeders, don't work for medical companies, don't run a rescue group, whatever.

Many breeders are very honest about the fact that HD has a huge genetic component. If a pup they bred develops HD, they take responsibility for it even if they could not have predicted this, unless the puppy owner did something totally insane like drag the pupppy on a mile-long jog every day or run over the puppy with the lawn tractor.

But other breeders avoid responsibilty by claiming that HD is almost always "environmental"--in plain English, HD is the puppy buyer's fault, because the puppy was a pound overweight for a month, or because the puppy wasn't fed the breeder's favorite food, or because the puppy didn't have the right herbs sprinkled on his food, or some other drivel. This nonsense saves breeders a lot of money--no replacement puppy, no refund to help with medical expenses.

I am not going to hijack this thread into an argument about the genetic basis of HD, but I am tired of seeing people try to blame Draven's mom for his HD. His terrible HD is not her fault. And unlike so many people who won't do squat for their dogs, she is a very responsible person who will do whatever she can to do right by Draven.

JonRob let's settle down and quit talking down to other members. You do not know what they do or don't do for their dogs nor do you know what they know.

No one is blaming Dravens owner.

You can post links and so can they, no one is attacking you for your links

Anyone want to talk hips be it how they happen or what should be done medically with them start a new informative thread.

Jonny, draven's owner didn't whelp the pup, did she? No, she didn't. So how do you figure she's being blamed.
No, she's not being blamed....its on the breeder, because the first 8 wks are the most critical in development of a pup's hips. So relax, you seem a bit touchy about facts.
We get tired of people like you blaming everything for what a few crappy humans do, on the majority.

"We get tired of people like you blaming everything for what a few crappy humans do, on the majority."

And I get tired of breeders who blame the puppy buyer for HD. It happens a lot.

I have no idea what your breeding practices are so I have no idea why you are taking this so personally.

I did not consider how the whelping box flooring would have such an impact on development of pups' hips but it certainly makes sense from a kinetic and ambulatory perspective. Something for all breeders to consider when setting up the first home for new pups.

I cannot understand why Draven's breeder is making things so difficult for the OP, and all the hoops that are being put up. This just makes me think the breeder is taking no responsibility and trying to avoid any recompense to the buyer. ANY breeder can produce faults that are genetically-linked especially when they are recessive 'hidden' faults.

Koots, its from day of birth for first eight weeks that are most critical in the development of hips.
After nearly fifty years of research, scientists have not found any gene, not recessive nor otherwise, responsible for HD.....it all comes down to the congruity of the ball in the socket, which is cartilage at birth, then depending on the congruity, becomes bone.

Still waiting for the vet to return my call....

 

Yes koots...that is something I have thought about.... Below should be a pic of the pups in welping stage.....in their "play area". I bought the red and green boys.

 

Just as I figured...see the spread hind legs? They should be UNDER the pup, supporting him, so the ball and socket can be congruent! That can't happen on that surface. Those pups eyes are open, they should be standing UP ON ALL FOURS,not laying like helpless lumps!

Herbazen, those pups look to be around three weeks old. They should be standing up running around. Which one is Draven, is he wearing green ?