DDR Fans - Page 3

Thanks, bee. I did take it a tad personal... It's good not to have pages and pages of spam, so worth the 'inconvenience'.

The only IPO2 DDR dog in the US?

Horseshit.

This ad reminds me of the one a couple weeks ago about the "only Javir Talka Marda daughter in the US".

I don't have the time to disprove the statement about him being the only IPO2 DDR  dog in the USA, (but I know that I could), however I did verify a few other things.

His name according to the website is Held vom Kranichs Hof

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=751323-held-vom-kranichs-hof

I looked him up on the SV database and filled in some information.

He is not Kkl.1 - He was breed surveyed in 2014 and Kkl1 and Kkl2 no longer existed. so he is just Kkl.  I filled in the breed survey and translated it.

If he is in the USA, he is not yet listed on the AKC website.

You have to go back 7 generations to have his lines be all DDR.  Although almost makes it by the 6th generation except for one dog... Götz vom Gräfental SZ/1802917.

Linebred 4-5  V Alf vom Körnersee SCHH3/PSH1,

Linebred 5-5  V Filou vom Kaolinsee SCHH2

 

Yes we had problems with spammers who could and would post as fast as an automated dialer could work.

By the time we located to spammers name blocked it they could put up several hundred post that we have to remove individually.

Sorry for any incovience to anyone but glad it is there.

This sux, you have to be a dedicated ped nerd to understand what is being claimed, dog breeders are in general con artists.

Vk; '....dog breeders are in general con artists.'

If that is true, then it must also be true that cattle breeders are 'in general con artists'.

Again, It's good not to have *pages and pages* of spam, so worth the 'inconvenience'.

geez BW...it must be so hard for you in the dog world, finding any dog or trainer that holds a candle to you and yours...
Could you tell me when your book will be out, you know , the one titled,
Worlds most knowlegable dog trainer...
(Deleted comment. Can we please stop with the name calling personal attacks Western Rider)

My comment was too strong, I was annoyed that fantom showed that you have to have a lot of experience just to figure if what is being claimed is actually true, it shouldn't have to be this way.

Er no, the cattle industry us regulated (yes the R word you hate)/mainly due to two things;

1. Protection of the export market, if a seller fuks up we are all out of business and the national GDP collapses (happened before). Nothing moves without multiple layers of verifiable evidence of stock identification matched on federal databases.

2. Cow breeders are way more educated on science and technology of breeding than dog breeders. We have literally dozens of measures and markers re breed performance data on huge databases matched with DNA.

The best you got Joan is red pen on a big chart where you can trace the sire back to 5 branches or some stupid shit. That actual lack of verifiable evidence gives lots of wiggle room to make up whatever crap you want that sounds good and great stories of the Czech border days even tho nobody knows what those dogs actually even did.
 

I own this dog's sire- V Bill vom Kranich's Hof IPO3, SCH3, FH2 KKL1 and qualified for LGA and I owned his mother - V Mira von den grauen von Monstab IPO1 KKL1 (died of congestive heart failure Jan 2016) Both Bill and Mira had A1 hips and normal elbows

I purchased Bill from Maurice Kranich at 5 years of age and I paid less than what the seller is asking for Held. I have worked both Bill and Mira but regrettably I never trialed either. Bill turned 10 last September and is still enthusiastic in bitework and obedience. I have not tracked him since last spring but when I did last, he had not forgotten a thing. He is showing his age a bit, he is still very fertile but lacks the thrust to get natural ties anymore

I repeated this breeding 3 times after purchasing Mira. I kept back 2 males from different litters and both have been worked in IPO
Here is what I can tell you about what this breeding has produced for me. Both males are hard headed and stubborn. Both males lack bidability but are very stable around people, dogs and other animals. Both males matured slowly and defensive aggression did not develop until after 1.5 to 2 years old. Both males had suitable ball drive but neither were over the top. Both males had Panosteitis (one much worse than the other). Both males are defensive of their home and persons. Both passed OFA with Good / Normal

One of the males completed the BH and AD and was trialed 3 times for his IPO1. He passed all three phases but not in the same trial. He was trial savvy and knew when he could get away with bad behavior. One trial he refused to retrieve the dumbells and approached the judge to see if he might assume the role of a helper (was DQ'd), then in the next trial got mid 80's in obedience. One trial he decided it was playtime on the tracking field, the next trial he scored low 90's. He passed protection each trial with mid 80's to low 90's.

The other male is yet to trial but shows similar obstinance and does require compulsion in training. He is a decent tracking dog, stubborn in obedience and likes bitework.

Neither is a top sport dog.

YES- this breeding is pure east german. There are no dogs in the pedigree that don't go back to DDR #'d dogs.

The male in the OP's post (Held) was kept by the Kranich's as the successor to Bill and I would be surprised if they sold him thinking he was going to take the US trial fields by storm.

The person who imported Held told me once in a not so friendly message exchange that he himself is not active in IPO as he has no use for it (he specifically mentioned that he didn't care for the un necessary fancy obedience) but he has shared videos of some of the bitework he has done with some of his other dogs. maybe he will be able to elaborate more on that.

Camilla