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OK here is a 1st video of today training à la Hans .  This is not civil default building training. Dog had been trained to develop civil default  which  is was previously determined/proofed /tested and is continually maintained to be civil. This training session is showing adding pressure on the dog. gsdfan claimed that dogs trained in my style would be unsure on frontal bite . since supposedly my training is defensive which is not so. My training is based on defense but it is not defense only. I do not train specifically where the dog should bite I leave it up to the dog. Thus you will see 3 different bites one is biceps bite. They are as full as can get. Dogs are not outed but lifted. that is training technique which builds bite. Out commands training is different training which you will not see on these videos today. Odin.Handler Magnus , decoy Robert  Harris trainer me.  All training done basically  by me. Decoy's instructions are to avoid the dog the best way possible and pressure the dog. This is video of a training session. No editing to make it pretty. 

 ( caution some rough language) 

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNO0nDundoE

here same scenario as the post above. Magnus , K9 Jet, Decoy Robert Harris , trainer Hans in non sportism training. Dog had been trained to develop civil default  which  has been previously determined/proofed /tested and is continually maintained to be civil. This training session is showing adding pressure on the dog it shows outside and inside bite. Supposedly training based on civil defaults the way I train builds weak dogs with shallow bites This video done today shows otherwise. Decoy's instructions are to avoid the dog the best way possible and pressure the dog. This is video of a training session in progress.

No editing to make it pretty. ( caution some rough language and a lots of fun)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjK4hD1Jn6c

That's one big ass suit.

What happened to your michelan man equipment focus rants... you are doing the exact same thing you have claimed for 20+ pages you hate.

the videos above do not show progress to the civil bite. That raining of civil default had been done . And now we are working on other stuff besides civil work.

Next is less advanced but excellent dog Shadow ( bred by Gigante.) We are now at the stage where we are promoting and developing prey in this dog since Shadow is IMO too much defensive in protection. He is showing prey in work with toys but we do not carry toys into protection training since they are not civil. Sportists do not like really defensive dogs. Defensive dogs are basically rejected by sport and sportists as weak dogs. That IMO is total error. These dogs need to be trained differently then mostly prey dogs which sport and sportist rately know how to do or be willing to do. Even though I always set default in defense I always go along with the dog and let him tell me what I need to develop and what I need to build on. I always build on strengths rather then trying to fix weaknesses. That is extremely important. ( At least to my system.) Here today , erlier we have done some  call offs with this dog . ( Not on this video) Here you will see Shadow basically all in defense to   attack decoy .. Note really strong full bites even though the dog is defense. Thus it is a myth that dog in defense always have shallow bite. That is a malarkey pepetuated by promoters of Prey is King training. Which in my opinion generates dogs unprepared for stres which may push tem into defense.  On video decoy avoids the dog and dog is positioning self for better bite. . Then he effectively engages. At this stage of the training I do not practice any specific bite and I let the dog to choose where to bite. On this video all bites ened to be on the forearm but they are deep and very serious. Then we have threatening decoy scenario. You do not see inside bite here since I forgot. We will trainn tomorrow again and I'll see it we can make gsdfan happy and do inside bite even with this dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BbogQLV-0

Geez I'm glad the handler had the sense not to listen to you and ended the session. Dog was frontal and going into avoidance, not a good way to end the session.

the initial avoidance of the bag was a problem.

Nice dog, get it to a trainer that knows what they are doing before you ruin it because of someone else's ego.

VK do your self a favor and actually read the posts before you comment so you do not look like a fool . Here is pertinent part which you missed.

 This is not civil default building training. Dog(s)  had been trained to develop civil default  which   was previously determined/proofed /tested and is continually maintained to be civil. This training session is showing adding pressure on the dog. gsdfan claimed that dogs trained in my style would be unsure on frontal bite.....on suit. This is to show otherwise .

 or here:
the videos above do not show progress to the civil bite. That raining of civil default had been done . And now we are working on other stuff besides civil work.

 VK it looks like that you would like to  volunteer real civil work,... you can come and we would love to practice on you real civil bites. I,ll pay you $100 an hour.  

+ flight, accommodation, meals, vehicle hire etc? I would also like a trip to GC.

 

Oh I will take yr 100 and raise you 150 to do civil on my dog + overnight trip to barrier reef resort with yr partner all accommodation, meals and diving instructor paid.  All flight and other costs on yr dime.

You have never shown the civil/default/proof/test bit that distinguishes your "system", you have only shown the same sportism equipment stuff like everybody else.

I think most of us want to see what you do different not what you do the same as everyone else.

VK I know that you are only trying to get rise from me but you made interesting point and so did Duke. I normally ignore your trolling but I'll make an exception here. The point is how long to work dogs.
At first let me say that I always train dogs new stuff very shortly.In learning faze all must be positive. Once they know what to do - like in this case they know bitework I NOW AND THEN (not always) work them to the point of exhaustion. That is part of the stress training. Dogs who only work in AC when they are comfortable will fail when they get tired. Also physical conditioning IMO demands that dogs are trained pass the point of comfort. That then leads to dogs who will work even when tired. My best dog out there Johnny has 2 tracks ( out of more then hundred) which were more then 5 hours and found the perp . One with bite and one without since perp gave up. Have you ever track the dog 5 hours? I doubt it. it is very hard and many have not done it. That is a long time Johnny's last long track was done just recently at 9+ years of age.
I hope this helps.

LOL I have shown parts of how to train civil default. Of course you are busy trolling to notice that. And if you want me to teach you then you need to pay for that. your charge is 2x normal.