ANYONE KNOW COLORS OUTCOME

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by Rebecca Tinsley on 18 January 2016 - 15:01

I HAVE A JET BLACK WL GSD AND AM THINKING OF BREEDING HIM WITH MY, RED/ BLACK WEST GERMAN SHOWLINE FEMALE.
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE COLOR CODING THAT THEY CAN PRODUCE?
THEY WERE BRED ONCE BEFORE AND HAD BI COLORS.. NONE OF THE PUPPIES LOOKIED LIKE EITHER PARENT.
I'M WONDERING IF THEY CAN PRODUCE PURE BLACKS??

THANKS FOR ANY INSIGHT

OH FYI THE BLACK STUD DOG WAS PARENTED BY (FATHER) SABLE AND MOTHER BLACK AND THE WGSL , OF COURSE ALL BLACKS AND REDS.

by Bavarian Wagon on 18 January 2016 - 16:01

Knowing that the WGSL is all black/red there is no way you'd get a black. You will again get all black/red dogs.

Black is the recessive, so your bitch carries two black color genes, your male carries two black/red genes. The puppies will all carry one black/red and one black gene.

by AnaSilva on 18 January 2016 - 16:01

Basicly to get black you need the puppy to be genetic a bb, that only happens if both parents have the b gene. www.doggenetics.co.uk great site to learn about color genetics Being the "Black&Tan" dominant over black the puppies will always be B&T

The puppies were bicolor? or Black&tan?

by Living Fence on 18 January 2016 - 18:01

Are the pedigree entered here? With colors?
If not yet, please enter them.

by Q Man on 18 January 2016 - 18:01

The problem comes...unless you know the dogs well and have a "record" of them being bred before...is that it's very difficult to track "colors" in dogs...So many pedigrees and pedigree forums don't have colors and then a case can you believe them...
Most of the better breeders will keep track of dogs (either theirs or ones they've used) and will know and have records of dogs and their colors...

~Bob~

by Living Fence on 18 January 2016 - 18:01

In many cases, we can check registries, incl. for color, if needed.
Then it depends whether the breeders entered color correctly, which is usually but not always the case, at least with AKC registrations.

LF (Pedigree Researcher)

by Rebecca Tinsley on 18 January 2016 - 19:01

Yes, thank you all!

The 7 puppies were all Bi colored... and 4 were long coats. I just saw one at 10 months old and he is gorgeous!
They didn't look that great at a certain stage but grew into beauties with awesome temperments
I also have seen 2 of the stock coated pups and they were great dogs as well.

FYI My female is on her 2nd heat from time of the last litter

I wanted to breed her to a WGSL but none that I would use around my area.

by aaykay on 19 January 2016 - 03:01

Many a time, what are referred to as "Bicolors" are really B&T......Melanistic B&T. True Bi-colors have certain specific markers. The boy in my signature is almost always referred to as a "bicolor", but he is a Melanistic B&T.

by Ibrahim on 19 January 2016 - 08:01

Your dogs can not produce bi colors, they can only produce black/tan offspring, but size of saddle would be bigger, and probably black color would stretch down on both the front and rear legs, more than seen on typical West German Saddle Back Show Line

by AnaSilva on 19 January 2016 - 14:01

That was why I was becoming confused because to my knowledge those dogs could never (genetically speaking) produce Bi-colors…
Thanks for pointing that out aaykay, most Bi are indeed not really bi-color, but B&T… But as I am pretty knew to the genetic side of dog colors, and mostly know about the theory wasn’t going to insist on the point, theory doesn’t always check with reality….

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