BSZS GHKLR - Page 14

See I can nitpick things on almost every dog. The nicest conformation I've seen was actually a WG showline female, and you guys know how I feel about a good portion of them!  Ibrahim, that dog is nice, but the low pasterns bother me, as does her head, and she seems a bit deep in the chest to what I prefer. But that's just me.

 

I absolutely love this bitches conforrmation, even if she is a bit young in this pic. I'd like to see tighter feet, and a slightly stronger head, maybe, but other than that...

 

It definitely can go both ways. My personal favorite type is the dogs of the late 60's, early 70's. Dago vom Sulterkamp is a really good example. Crok vom Busecker Schloss, and Atlas vom Lechtal are others I like a lot. Of course, everyone likes something different and that is why there is such a wide variety of types in the breed.

I agree Dawulf, she is not perfect. I only wanted to show what I think is a good conformation, in general, like moderate correct angulations in both ends, good withers, topline and croup. In my opinion her rear angulation is just correct, anything more than that is to be considered deep, look at the VAs, they all have deeper than should rears, steeper than should croups.Though they have good shoulders but the forechest development on many of them is exaggerated. Also quite few heads are domed or have no parallel planes, also many can not be described as dry.
I like that female you posted, she is not overdone, only thing her rear IS deep

Dawulf, that is an outstanding bitch! Love the topline, angulation and proportion. Her rear leg could be less extended, but otherwise the stack is also very good.

Unfortunately I was unable to post, due to unforseen health issues that struck me. I see Ibrahim has kept us updated with videos and analysations.

Old Shatterhand brought up a very good point on the previous page of this thread, it takes training and proper diet to keep a SL dog in condtion.
I couldnt agree more! Having a GSD in showing condition requires a well researched diet, ring training and "workouts" . I for my side exercise my dogs 40 min daily with a jog ( for me) and a gait for them. In addition whenever a gsd of mine during growth or aging showed/started to show cow hocks I would let them slowly (!!!) walk stairs up, swim and do gymnastic exercises with them. Also do my dogs receive a diet high in Omega 3 and beta carotin.

Concerning angulation and deep rears in showlines ( GSL and ASL) I cannot say that I have a full understanding of the issue, where I live it`s still the medium sized, light GSDs with best gait that make the top places in show.

Welcome back SporterGSD, I missed you

Outstanding TSB

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yBJho7bmqs

 

1st dog in video, Perro von der schwarzen Natter

 

 

thanks Ibrahim, it has been really long.

Perro is remarkable, it is noticeable how he sprints all the way ( doesnt slow down halfway ) and he looks way drier and athletic in sprint compared to others.
IMO his hock movement (looking from behind) is among the better ones in GSDs. I find TSB videos very valuable in the evaluation of hock movement.

Perro von der schwarzen Natter is indeed a very nice dog with a great TSB performance.
I must say that how dogs perform in TSB is partially also dependant on the helper.
Without trying to take anything from Perro's performance, I must say that I noticed helper allowing Perro to go full speed at the sleeve by turning 20-30 degrees to one side exposing his sleeve arm more to the dog. In most of other TSB videos helpers go directly frontal towards dog without turning into either side. Nonetheless great TSB performance by Perro. Wish more VA dogs would show this kind of TSB performance.

"In most of other TSB videos helpers go directly frontal towards dog without turning into either side."
As long as the helper doesn´t get a clear signal from the dog ( left side or right side ) he always should stay frontal as long as necessary.
A lot of helpers are not able to do this...

I like "full speed" dogs, but I know that a lot of dogs slow down on the last meters/yards out of bad experiences they made earlier on.

The quality of a dog is seen in the overall picture, like the heeling to the blind ( how focussed is the dog ? how far is the helper able to run out of the blind before the dog gets him ?), does the dog fight against the helper. does the dog WATCH the helper ( not turning around to the handler seeking for help ),
does the dog show obedience although it wants to fight, does the helper have fun working this dog? (speed of the helper, running INTO the dog instead of sidewards, or even worse, backwards), the direction the helper is moving ( to the owner ), and so on...

Ibrahim, your example seems to be a good dog.

sorry, wrong thread

Great post Susie