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Koots

by Koots on 02 August 2015 - 23:08

I like them both. Where did the smaller ears on the sable come from?

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 03 August 2015 - 00:08

Koots, I don't see smaller ears...maybe you mean because the black male isn't anywhere near done developing and maturing and the sable is pretty much grown?? He looks just like his mom on steroids, to me...

 

Susie, I wrote a post to you and it isn't here! :/   I was saying that while they are fairly similar, the sable, at puppyhood, was sportier, drivier, etc. and the black was more intense in a "do not screw with me" attitude of extreme confidence and presence at a very young age, at a year old they are fairly similar. I put the sable in an IPO home and the black in a very dedicated companion home who employs 2x weekly private training with a very good trainer on this board. The sable maybe the better breeding prospect as he is drivier, easier to motivate, easier to handle, but I really love the intensity and the "devil may care" attitude of the black. But I am splitting hairs- they are littermates and pretty similar overall. Subtle differences, really. 


Koots

by Koots on 03 August 2015 - 02:08

Not small, per se, but the ears on the sable appear to be a tad smaller than the black dog. It may be due to the different development stage of the dogs in the pics, or because it's harder to see the head angles/lines on the black dog. Or maybe I'm the only person who thinks that, lol. Regardless, they both are beautiful dogs.

by hexe on 03 August 2015 - 02:08

Both are beautiful dogs, there's no question about it. Personally, I prefer the black's structure to the sable's--which is unusual for me, as I'm not generally a fan of the black dogs; I like his neck length, topline and shoulder much more than the sable's. Both are maturing nicely, however, and neither one would be sent away from dropping biscuit crumbs on my floor. Shades Smile

As for the ears, I see a marked difference in the shape of their ears--the sable's are nearly true triangles, with very little curve to the inner line as it approaches the tip of the ear and a narrower base than the black dog's; the inner line of the black's ears have a more pronounced yet still gentle curvature as it approaches the tip, with a broader base to them. I think those differences, coupled with the coat colors, make the sable's ears look a bit smaller than the black's. Is that what you're seeing, Koots?


aaykay

by aaykay on 03 August 2015 - 05:08

Both look stunning, even though if I had to make a choice, I would go with the Black one, since I like his structure (leaner and rangier) more, overall.

Koots

by Koots on 03 August 2015 - 05:08

Yes, Hexe, what you say about the structure of the ears is probably why they look different size to me. I was just wondering which parent these dogs most closely resemble, especially with regards to ears.

by vk4gsd on 03 August 2015 - 06:08

Black one's frame sable one's colour, both nice looking dogs Imo.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 03 August 2015 - 15:08

Very interesting, the comments from photos...I see them very differently since I see them in the flesh. Fallon, the black, is a heavier dog all around- always has been. Very marked when they were young. He takes more after both parents, I think, as he was a super heavy pup, clumsy looking, went through funky stages,  etc. Big ears, tree trunk legs, the whole nine yards. Fritz, the sable, has always looked like a mini GSD, very much like Capri pups tended to mature, where the shape didn't really change that much but the size did. They never looked immature, just small. When their mother was a pup, I would have people asking me me what kind of dog she was, why so small, etc. etc. and they were surprised when I said "because she's a puppy. She's only 4 or 5 or 6 or whatever months old." She was 39lbs at 6 months but looked very substantial in pics.

Fritz is much the same. He has his mother Aria's expression, her ear set, her overall structure, incredible agility. His face is wider, full like Capri's, and I think that also plays into how his ears appear. In person, he is really a male version of his mother. Moves soundlessly, cat-like, while Fallon is a big, boisterous boy, very rambunctious and kind of lumbering, though quite agile for his size. Fritz is about 75lbs...Fallon has to be pushing 90 or will be soon. Lots of bone. Of course that never shows on a black dog in pics; in these, Fallon looks almost refined. Fallon is also totally devoid of undercoat which is making him appear more slender than Fritz who is in full coat in those pics.

I'm such a nerd; I think this stuff is fun to analyze, compare, and contrast. Thanks for playing along! 


Koots

by Koots on 03 August 2015 - 17:08

Pictures are sometimes deceiving, especially if there is no constant comparator for size. And black dogs don't tend to show bone substance in pics either. Thanks for your perspective and comments Jenni, they are revealing and nicely explain the inheritance factor of the dogs physical structure.. I'm guessing that Fallon takes after the sire's side more?

susie

by susie on 03 August 2015 - 18:08

Jen, the black guy sounds like a dog I would have liked to get as a puppy  - I tend to strengthen the traits you mentioned... Clown
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