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by gsdstudent on 21 August 2013 - 10:08
other than just plain dumb luck how did the business man start up his biz? he/she learned from some one, techniques for success. maybe not formal schooling but he or she learned. We should encourage education.
by Paul Garrison on 21 August 2013 - 10:08
The test of the dog is the task (show, work or what ever it is) But the test of the family is time. Two shit dog can produce a good dog and Two good dogs can produce shit, but you have a greater chance of producing good dogs from good ancestors. When your breeding you will see the traits of the ancestors over and over again. In my opinion there are are too many inferior dogs bred in hopes they will produce something great and then sell sell sell and breed more shit.
by jemi on 21 August 2013 - 11:08
..........yes I agree, education is our ticket to survive in our modern world, and should be encouraged.
And yes, a good strain or family with solid foundation and history are good materials to start with. It will increase the odds on the new breeders favor or side. Genetically, they are superior with few or none of the deleterious or bad genes present in their make up, thanks to the works of the previous breeders. And from there, the new breeder's worth is gauged on wether he can improve the strain further, or he will ruin them. Some breeders have keener eyes on selection compared to others, for some reasons that are hard to comprehend, they can spot defects or faults on a prospective broodstock that others fail to see, and they can seem to discern which combination or mating will produce above average progenies which will carry on to pass their good qualities to their future generation. There are good and bad breeders in terms of quality produced and a lot of in-betweens.
Breeding is both science and art. A true breeder knows what he is doing and can explain and defend it, and a decent knowledge in genetics is a lot of help, and should have a burning passion on what he is doing like a true artist, and in art, constant practice makes perfect. And of course that special gift of keener "eye on selection" will give him a cut above the rest.
And yes, a good strain or family with solid foundation and history are good materials to start with. It will increase the odds on the new breeders favor or side. Genetically, they are superior with few or none of the deleterious or bad genes present in their make up, thanks to the works of the previous breeders. And from there, the new breeder's worth is gauged on wether he can improve the strain further, or he will ruin them. Some breeders have keener eyes on selection compared to others, for some reasons that are hard to comprehend, they can spot defects or faults on a prospective broodstock that others fail to see, and they can seem to discern which combination or mating will produce above average progenies which will carry on to pass their good qualities to their future generation. There are good and bad breeders in terms of quality produced and a lot of in-betweens.
Breeding is both science and art. A true breeder knows what he is doing and can explain and defend it, and a decent knowledge in genetics is a lot of help, and should have a burning passion on what he is doing like a true artist, and in art, constant practice makes perfect. And of course that special gift of keener "eye on selection" will give him a cut above the rest.
by Gusmanda on 22 August 2013 - 12:08
so for those either buying or selling in law enforcement/military, what would you like GSD breeders to concentrate on to get the breed back to work? Health? Price? Fight drive? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but as noted earlier, those closer to the situation are likely the ones in position to really call out what needs to be fixed.
by Hired Dog on 22 August 2013 - 13:08
Go back 50 years...this is my biggest pet peeve with this and my breed, the Malinois. ALL breeders of working dogs should focus on breeding WORKING dogs, end of. This "its a versatile breed" crap is what has ruined this and other formerly working breeds.
Its versatile means that the dog can do many JOBS, police dog, military dog, detection dog, etc, not that it was meant to be a show dog or just a pet. ALL breeders should be working to breed the GSD that was 50 years a go and one should not have to list SL or WL dogs nor should one have to look for a year to find a breeder who actually breeds REAL dogs, every breeder should be able to produce dogs that can do the job the breed was created to do.
As far as what the focus on breeding working dogs, hardness, courage, fight drive, spirit, hunt drive, etc should all be bred into the dogs again. I said this before, I will say it again, not everyone wants a social sport dog that everybody can handle.
Its versatile means that the dog can do many JOBS, police dog, military dog, detection dog, etc, not that it was meant to be a show dog or just a pet. ALL breeders should be working to breed the GSD that was 50 years a go and one should not have to list SL or WL dogs nor should one have to look for a year to find a breeder who actually breeds REAL dogs, every breeder should be able to produce dogs that can do the job the breed was created to do.
As far as what the focus on breeding working dogs, hardness, courage, fight drive, spirit, hunt drive, etc should all be bred into the dogs again. I said this before, I will say it again, not everyone wants a social sport dog that everybody can handle.
by jemi on 22 August 2013 - 13:08
To some, these maybe hard to swallow or accept. And, I agree 100% with Hired Dog, you will find the true ambassadors of the breed in the serious working lines only (GSD, Malinois, and Dutchies), maybe some in show lines but they are as scarce as spring water in the desert.
by Gustav on 22 August 2013 - 22:08
TY Hired Dog!
by joanro on 22 August 2013 - 22:08
Hired dog, YES!!!
@Gustav, what's TY? Thank you ?
@Gustav, what's TY? Thank you ?
by samael28 on 22 August 2013 - 22:08
thank you = TY
by KYLE on 23 August 2013 - 13:08
To piggy back on what Hired Dog has said so well. Breeders and trainers need to evaluate their dogs in situations other than on the trial field. Grips on different surfaces, Will the dog walk into a dark hallway or go into a dark basement. Does the dog grip the same on tile as on grass? How does the dog react to a menacing stranger when by himself? Can the dog track on different surfaces or only grass. Handlers must also not be afraid of training strong dogs.
Kyle
Kyle
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