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by HGO on 05 December 2012 - 10:12

I just bought czech working line GSD for my family companion and protection dog.  He has very good nerve, but it seems have not very high play drive. He gets bored playing with toy.  I tried buying several different toys hoping that I can elevate his play drive.  But it seems, he only interested about 10-15 minutes playing with the toys.  I asked the breeder why the pup has low play drive would he be a good family protection dog when he gets older? The breeder said all his puppies mostly are like that but he can assure that all his puppies he breeds posses very good nerve and defense drive and guaranteed can do protection work.  I also happened to ask some other breeder from West Germany bloodline side says: WG line in general are more easily trainable for dog sport as well as for protection, thats why this guy only breed 100% WG line shepherd.  Then I read some articles about DDR line working GSD.   This really makes curious.  Would somebody inform me what would be the significant trait, character, (+) point as well as (-)  among these three major bloodline ?  Thank you

by Ace952 on 05 December 2012 - 13:12

How old is the puppy? I wouldn't force it...just let them be a puppy.

Drives can just kick in at anytime, I wouldn't be too concerned.

Don't believe everything especially the blanket statements on lines. I would stop listening to that WGWL breeder. His statement is pure nonsense.

by THEskridge on 06 December 2012 - 00:12

Depending on his age isn't 10-15 minutes average? Can you build up toy drive by taking the toy away while it's still "fun" don't wait until he's bored.  Do this a few times a day.  We did this with our 7 month old Shepherd with his ball. We still stop playing before he gets bored to keep it interesting for him. I'm not saying it's correct or that I'm an expert  but it's worked for us :)

by kipka on 06 December 2012 - 00:12

Your pup will be fine calm down play desire has little to do with the instinct to defend.dont get to caught up in the east vrs west thing the wall ca me down a long time ago just relax love. Your pup

by darylehret on 06 December 2012 - 01:12

I'm a believer of the blanket statement that WGWL dogs ARE easier to train.  And SOONER.  Though I've had DDR based Czech lines that late-bloom nicely and would be "easy" to train at 2 years with prey/retrieve, or even 4 years for protectionwork, but who the heck wants to wait that long on the chance of having a dud?  That's just TOO slow to measure your progress as a breeder, and a perfect example of WHY DDR type bloodlines are failing to impact any competitive training venues of note.  For every ONE DDR dog you find that's accomplished in ANY competitive ring, there are HUNDREDS of WGWL dogs doing the same, and better.  Love'em too, myself, but I'm not going to fool myself about the practical truth.

by workingdogz on 06 December 2012 - 10:12

10-15 minutes is a long time for a puppy!
Puppies of any breeding generally have the attention span of a
couple minutes at best. Keep play sessions and training sessions
short and exciting, 10-2 minute daily sessions is better than one
20 minute sessionWink Smile

Let your puppy be a puppy, don't push him to be a grown dog.
That will happen all on it's own, and sometimes way too soon!
Keep his access to toys limited, why would he want to play with
you or anyone else when he has a toy store in front of him at all
times? We always want what we can't have theory Wink Smile

by HGO on 07 December 2012 - 06:12

dear Guys ACE952, skridge, workingdogz : very much thank you for your information.  my pup will be 4 month old next week.  I totally agree, that we should let puppy be a puppy and let him grow naturally.   I will try limiting the toy access.  Only giving him toy when playing only.  Thank you.

@kipka: very encouraging thanks. I love my pup very much Thumbs UpWink Smile

@darylehret : Thanks for the info.  I am a beginner and have no idea on this bloodline issue.  I noticed, police K9 dogs 90% using GSD and Malinois.  This is only my curiousity, why most police K9 GSD come from Czech or DDR bloodline.    My question is would it be any specific or special charateristic on each one of them that makes each one of them is very special on specific purpose .  For eq: WGL is good for Dog Sport  ,  czech / DDR is for security or police service dog .  If Yes why is that? 

by ziegenfarm on 07 December 2012 - 07:12

sounding off.......wasn't relevent to topic, so i deleted.  sorry.

by Hundmutter on 07 December 2012 - 07:12

HGO sorry, bit confused !  It doesn't seem clear to me from your posts
whether you are letting the pup play with whichever toy BY HIMSELF for
as long as he is interested in it, or whether you are playing WITH him
and his toys ?  

by HGO on 07 December 2012 - 18:12

dear Hundmutter:  I used to leave the toys in the kennel with him.  by the time I took him out for a walk and play with the toy he got bored easily & lost interest

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