14 week old GS pup bilaterally cryptorchid... - Page 3

Just out of curiosity, how much did your vet charge to pinch the pup's sac ?

I am surprised that there is discussion if cryptorchids were discussed in the contract, and whether the buyer had specified that it was for breeding.
All of this is BS. It is understood that buyer is paying for a healthy puppy,  and undescended testis is not a minor cosmetic flaw. Full refund is in order, if there is any kind of replacement warranty. The only exception is when the seller discloses the defect beforehand. Sort of like buying a new car, and being told sorry, but you did not specifiy that the transmission should be functioning.

I had him in for routine bordetella, DAPP, and rabies, and she examined him for the 2nd time (first was at 10 weeks or 1 week after I got him).  Both exams showed no gonads.
The charge for the exam was $25 on Oct 12 adn no charge this past Friday -- just the charges for the shots.

It's now almost Wednesday...hoping your meeting with the breeder went better/as well as expected.

Still crytporchid and am being told that status not certain until "6-9 months".  If indeed uni or bilaterally crytporchid I am being told "no refunds just a replacement pup".  I am meeting with him in 4 days.  I summarize:  paid $1500 for "top of the line", $500 in vet/med fees (including the sweat equity of raising a puppy) with an anticipated surgical cost of ~ $800-1200 minimally for an uncomplicated intraabdominal single or double orchiectomy in 2 years.  All told I will have north of $3000 invested for a dog that (bless his little heart) will be flawed and potentially more likely to have other issues (hips, EPA, etc).  My position is to keep the pup (too bonded at this stage) and enjoy his good company but to express my displeasure with his sense of fairness.  I am not a breeder or major afficianado -- just love wolfhounds and GSDs as companions.  But I hate getting screwed.  Comments welcome, but that's about the size of it.  Many thx in advance.

Killshot, not for nothing, but I've got nearly as much invested in an 8 year old male GSD that I got for free--because I had agreed to foster him--and I've only had him since Sept. 2011...so although I do agree that if you paid for a dog with two testicles down then that's what you should have gotten, I also have to point out that everything you've invested in this pup so far, aside from purchase price, is normal cost of raising and maintaining a dog anyway.  In my dog's case, in the first two weeks he was here, I'd already put over $1000 into him in lab tests, biopsies of lesions on his nose and muzzle [discoid lupus], removal of a mass on one rear paw and biopsy of that [calcinosis circumscripta]--luckily, he was already neutered and had been vaccinated at the shelter before being pulled out by a rescuer because he was going to be put down due to the nose and muzzle lesions that would only resolve if he was kept on prednisone. :(   [He bloated & torsioned earlier this year, so there went another $1000+ for emergency surgery to rectify the problem...but he's a good boy, and worth every penny.]

The additional cost for having the testes removed later [no reason to do so until at least 2 yrs, agreed!] is a real issue, however, and there should be some compensation for that.  As for waiting until 9 months of age, balderdash. It's possible that the testes were descended at one point, and for some reason drew up again past the inguinal ring and stayed there instead of coming back down...but by this point, it's unlikely they're going to drop if you and/or your vet can't even locate them in the inguinal canal. The inguinal ring generally closes by 6 months of age; if one or both haven't dropped by then, they aren't going to do so.

More and more, I like the suggestion that in the case of dogs that are warrantied by the breeder that a replacement pup will be provided if the original pup turns out to have one fault or another which causes the pup to be not as it was bargained to be, the breeder identify the 'replacement' puppy in their next litter, sell that puppy as an agent for the warrantied buyer and have the buyer of the replacement pup make the payment to the warrantied buyer instead of the breeder.  That pup would be sold without warranty from the breeder, and everything about the transaction would be conducted in the warrantied buyer's name, with that person's name already on the registration paperwork and a supplemental transfer signed off on by said warrentied buyer.  In nearly all instances, the original warrantied buyer doesn't want to give up the pup or dog they already have, and usually don't want another dog at that point in time, but both dog and buyer would benefit from receiving monies that can be applied toward treatment of whatever condition triggered the warranty activation to begin with.  Warrantied buyer feels satisfied because they're not out the extra costs to deal with the issue, breeder's reputation is positively impacted because they have another happy customer who will tell others about how understanding the breeder was about them not wanting another puppy for the foreseeable future, and someone else gets a nice puppy at a slightly lower price [since it's not being sold with warranty] than the other pups in the litter. 

That's about the only sort of warranty I'd have any use for at all. Everything else is just BS, IMO. 

hexe -- I think that's a very fair assessment.  I do appreciate that dogs cost $$ (believe me I know with my IWs!).  But again, the pretense was that he would be a solid pick, and he just is not.  I guess I will just need to eat it.  He wants $750 for 6 1 hour K9 training sessions (his full price), so I think we'll pas on that!  Thx again.

I'm curious why you wont take him back. You havent had the dog that long and as I previously mentioned, you can just as easily get attached to another puppy with two gonads instead of none.

Just not the way I am put together.  I have already done a good deal of training with this guy.  Someone will own him, and I am the best bet for him.  I just will not be recommending this breeder to anyone.  The LEAST he could have done is offer some of the training sessions at a discount.  Today he said the matter is closed -- no discount, no refunds, and if still crytporchid at 6 mos, no replacement puppy (he wants an answer on THAT subject immediately).  He sort of stuffed it in my ear, basically.

Funny though, what goes around, comes around.

I would suggest you return the pup pronto for a replacement/refund. If you keep it beyond a week or two, you get attached to the pup and you will not be willing to return it.