Safe-Guard dewormer for Goats - Page 2

Paste wormer is safe to use provided you pay attention to what you're doing. It's not mixed up and formulated by the tube. It's manufactured in the same way as everything else is including vaccines. In batches or lots. The active deworming ingredient(s) are formulated by dosage/average weight for whatever livestock the dewormer is designated for in that particular batch. Sheep, goat, horse, etc.

The whole thing about not knowing where in the tube the medicine really is, is a bunch of bunk. If that were the case, people would be ODing their foals, mini horses and ponies all the time or not worming them at all when they set the plunger for 250 lbs and saved the rest for later or another animal.

The important thing with using a paste wormer is to read the box and know your dosages if you're going to use "off label". For simplicity, some dewormers will treat a 1250 pound horse, others only a 1000 pound horse. The plunger stop ring may also be marked for anywhere from 50lbs to 250 lbs. Again, read the box and pay attention. Dosage of active ingredient may also differ from species to species. It's up to you to do the math and and get it right.

250 lbs for a goat or mini horse is a lot different than for a 70-80 lb dog.  You can definately overdose, or underdose, using paste wormer.  ask any vet who cares to answer questions and who are not selling paste livestock wormer for use for dogs.

molly

Safe-Guard Liquid wormer is just fine for dogs.

i agree 1 ml per 5lbs. It is safe and very effective. Paste wormer is mixed accurately so you can dose small horses and foals . The liquid is easy to use and safe on dogs and puppies

 It's very safe, even in the much higher dosage recommended for dogs. You do go through it pretty fast at those dosages but I have never seen any ill effects, although they HATE it and after the first day, they are not cooperative about taking it. LOL

Fenbendazole has a very high safety margin of up to 5000 times the recommended dose in some mammals. Pyrantal paomate is so safe you can buy it in the dollar store. Ivermectin has a lower safety margin and the potential for harm or death from overdose in certain breeds is well known.

Overdose/underdose is possible with any off label use, or use of a product not specifically formulated for the species. Liquid, paste, tablets, powder or granules. As I said, it's up to you to do the math and know your concentrations and dosages if you choose to do it.

Safeguard is safe for a dog and GOAT at all life stages. I have given safeguard to young kids (baby goats) that weighed as low as 15 lbs  with positive results. I've been raising goats for 12 years now. The same products we use for livestock are often times safe for our pets. It is normally just a weight difference and measuring the proper dosage.

I don't feel like going outside and getting the product but I do know Safeguard liquid  has labeled dosage amounts for weights a lot lower than 250 lbs.

many products labeled for the pet market have a much higher mark up than those used for livestock and sometimes higher than items labeled for humans (example: hyrdochordozone cream for humans is normally cheaper than for dogs, fish oil is normally higher for dogs than livestock,) The concentration amounts and dosage should be recognized.

fyi: I normally give 1cc/10lbs for 3-5 days when it's needed.

My vet orders liquid Panacur for me.....it is also labeled for Cattle & live stock.
His dosage recommendations is 1cc per 10lbs.

Reading from the bottle of Safeguard Dewormer for Goats 100mg/ml  (Fenbendazole)
25 pounds     0.6 ml       This is point 6 of an ml
50 pounds     1.2 ml       This is one point two ml
75 pounds     1.7 ml       This is one point seven ml
100 pounds   2.3 ml       This is 2 point 3 ml

I have used this dosing  for years and it has been 100% effective. 

Dosing may be different for different products.  
Hope this helps

I assumed she meant the LIQUID goat wormer (which is just a higher concentration per ml than the dog - the active ingrediant is the same fenbendazole).  I have used it for years.  I also routinely treat all my dogs after hiking in the adirondacks as there is a high incidence of giardia in the mountains (darn beavers!)

The Safe Guard for goats is 100mg/ml the Safe Guard for dogs is a 2.5% solution which is 25mg/ml.

For what it's worth...  goats are dosed at 5mg/kg so ten times less than the dosage that we treat our dogs with, so the chance of overdosing a large breed dog with safe guard paste for goats is pretty slim.  Even the 25g Safe Guard for horses only contains 2.5 grams of fenbendazole in it, which isn't far off from the 2 grams that a 90 pound shepherd would require. 

With all that said..  I don't use the paste and don't recommend the paste when the solution is much easier to dose.  But I do use and would recommend others to use the high concentration solutions that are available for livestock over the cost prohibitive granuales available for dogs.  Just becareful to dose your dog based on the 50mg/kg and not ml/pound...  that's where the confusion for some lies. 

My thoughts anyway :)
Laurie