AKC SOLICITS MEMBERS to change dog's name - Page 4

Jean, et al,  I have been doing this for over 15 years and to the best of my knowledge, clients have always had the right to choose the name....NOT change the name, but choose the name.   I have been fortunate that only 2 people have lied to me and used their own kennel names in naming.  That said, and I will say it again....when Puck's name appears in the pedigree as the sire of the litter, people kmow where the dog was bred, plain and simple.  That breeder looks inept and deceitful, at best.  I am not so sure AKC will change the practice, to be honest.  We can hope that our clients are respectable people and will adhere to the guidelines set forth in the sales contract.  One thing I do is to send each client or perspective client an email with some of the guidelines required.  That way, both people have things in writing and they can make an informed decision.  I also allow clients to name their puppy using the appropriate litter letter as long as with registration they use my kennel name.  This way, people do feel that they have some input as to taking part in his or her pup's future.  Hope this helps!

Connie

BobO...thank you for your input...unfortunately we have already heard from others that naming the litters ourselves has not offered protection from the names being changed.   once it get's changed, we are at the mercy of AKC if they decide they will not reverse the name change...they probably would NOT because they would be admittinig fault, and more than likely would then have to refund the client who paid to change the name, and who in good faith gave AKC the money because they TOLD THEM that this was allowed and they approved it. 

I can't see that happening...it most definately is a money thing...
 

I have received a response from the SV>>>
it is just as I expected...
and I will include it next post following this.

 

Here's the response from my Canadian breeder and friend, Shelley;

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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Does CKC allow name change of dogs?


Hi Jean,

I am pretty sure CKC does NOT allow this. I wanted to add my kennel name onto Tikka when I decided to keep her (I was fostering her for Janet)....and CKC would not let me do it, so I doubt they would allow this. I will check though to make sure.

We do things different in Canada though. We MUST have ID on every puppy who leaves the property and we MUST register them!! We don't have a choice. If I sold a pure bred pup and did not register it with CKC, I would be suspended from CKC and fined. So we have to tatoo or microchip (CKC microchip). I MUST provide CKC papers to the new owners before the pup is 6 months old or I could be fined . (thus the need to get the paperwork from you asap etc). USually CKC won't fine you etc unless a new owner of the pup complains that they do not have the CKC papers yet......

I am DEAD set against what AKC is doing!!! Membership should have a BIG say in things like this. It should NOT be something AKC can just 'do'.......breeders should have been asked /voted etc. CKC is supposed to protect the purebred dog....and in my opinion that means the breeders of them!!!!   AKC should be the same.

I don't mind if you post it. The only thing I would add is the reaason I wanted to add my kennel name to Tikka. She is out of my male and my friends female. Originally I was just going to foster her so didn't ask for my kennel name on her registration. When I decided to keep her and coown her with janet I thought it would be nice to also have my kennel name on her, but CKC said no I could not add or change it. When janet and I cobreed litters or even if she buys a puppy from my litter I always stick her kennel name in the registered name somewhere along with my kennel name. I don't have to do that if the litter is not cobred but do it as a courtesy to her.

Shelley



On 2010-11-03, at 2:49 PM, JeanESchrader wrote:


Hi Shelley,
I just posted this thread onto the pedigree database...
I was solicited by AKC after doing a foreign dog registration transfer, as to whether I wanted to change the name of the dog I just registered...he was imported from Germany.
This has me fuming, thinking of all the possibilities that could cause future problems.
Please read what I posted from this link below, and feel free to add your input...
especially IF CKC does not allow this option on previously named dogs.

jean
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins_read/443026.html

Schraderhaus K9
Quality Working German Shepherd Dogs

Below is my email correspondence with the SV:

Hello Sabine,

I am inquiring if it is allowable to have an SV Registered German Shepherd dog's name changed?
If so, what are the requirements and criteria for doing so?

Regards,
Jean Schrader
Schraderhaus K9


Here's my response from Sabine at the SV in Germany...

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From: akc@schaeferhunde.de
To: JeanESchrader
Sent: 11/4/2010 12:25:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: AW: Request information about changing dog's name

Dear Jean,

In reference to your inquiry I am sorry to inform you that the name of the dog can not be changed in the SV records; if a dog has been registered in the breed book the name can’t be changed afterwards.

I hope I have been able to help you.


Best regards

Sabine

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I've yet to receive a response from AKC regarding my email I sent them, about soliciting a name change of my dog. 

Jean, the AKC should worry about the puppy mills and quite trying to change dog's names.
If a dog is sold with a kennel name on it - that is the way it should stay unless the kennel
gives them permission to change it.
Pat

Thank you Pat...I do agree.
I am hoping that AKC does consider my email to be serious in nature. ..and they respond to it.
There is another consideration with them allowing and actually soliciting the change of dog's names, and that is of the legal aspect.  I don't believe it should be put on the shoulders of the members who support AKC by way of registration fees,  to have to defend themselves in court in order to re-establish the name that was agreed upon by the seller and the buyer at the time they agreed to sell their dog. 

It is one matter when buyers are unscrupulous and go against the seller's contract that they signed, and name the puppy something other than what was agreed upon between themselves and their breeder...they will have to pay the price in the way of the loss of their guarantee. 

But I believe it is a totally different matter when our (longest standing and most prominent) Registration Body for the United States allows a given name which has already been registered into the database to be changed...much less that they are soliciting it's own members to CHANGE the name. 
This goes against all reason and principle for what the AKC stands for, which is to maintain the stud books for registration and parentage of the dogs it records into their database.   There is no reason to change the names of dogs already registered, save for the purpose of monetary gain by AKC.  

 

My next email to AKC, as a follow up on my first to them, will contain what I believe to be a very good and long overdue suggestion they can use, if they are in need of an idea which can bring funds into their organization.

This suggestion will be that they can begin to require that working breeds, including that of the GSD... MUST have proven certificate of health of hips and elbows in order to compete in AKC show and competition events. AKC can charge their $25.00 per dog, in order for AKC to verify and certify on their show or work record that "said dog" has been xrayed and evaluated by either OFA, SV, FCI or the equivalent from the country of origin of the dog if it is not from the US.
This requirement for certifying the dog has passing hip and elbow ratings will serve not only to bring in VALUED funds for their organization, but will also be funds which are designed to improve the breed as a whole, rather than to ignore this very well known problematic aspec of this breed which has long gone unaddressed by AKC in the Show World.   It's time AKC stepped up and really behaved as if they cared about the future of the breeds they "Champion"...as their slogan suggests.  The SV requires this in order to register, breed and compete with a GSD.  AKC's following this lead and requiring healthy hips and elbows for dogs that compete and show is a start in the right direction.
The outcome of dogs produced through registries which require hip/elbow certifications has a direct correlation to the quality of the dogs that are produced by having and maintaining these requirements...or not.

Dogs that currently are showing in the AKC show circuit and who unfortunately do NOT pass these certifications could be grandfathered in to retain their show or working titles, since it was not a requirement at the time they competed...but should they want to CONTINUE to compete, they must then obtain the required passing hip and elbow certifications.
AND, those who have show/working titles and who WANT to certify their dogs after the fact could do so...thus another fee to the dog owner who wants to record this new certification with AKC.
Any dog who has not yet competed and has no show or working record would be required to first obtain the clearances on hips and elbows in order to compete...with AKC charging a fee to first certify their passing hip and elbow certifications into each dog's registration data in order to compete.

Think of all the money AKC could bring in... being earned by doing something which would be a HUGE benefit to the German Shepherd Dog breed as a whole.  Had this been a requirement by AKC from the beginning, I don't believe we would be seeing the hip dysplasia issues and the severe change in conformation which is not according to the WUSV Standard. Breeders who want to continue to breed toward whatever conformation ideal they prefer for the GSD, may begin to go a different route if the resulting offspring were required to pass hip and elbow certification before they could be shown and compete.

Got this very generic response today from the AKC...

Ms. Schrader,

We appreciate your input regarding changing a dogs’ name. There are, however, guidelines in place to protect registered kennels names from being removed from a dogs name once it is included in the AKC registered name.


A dog name cannot be changed:

- Without permission of the litter owner if the litter owner first registers the dog in their own name(s). Many breeders opt to use the full litter option in order to select the name they would like for the puppies.

- Without permission of the kennel name owner if an AKC registered Kennel Name is included in the dogs name.

- If the dog has had a litter.

- If the dog has received any awards at an AKC event.


Please be assured that AKC does recognize the importance of the use of your kennel name.

Sincerely,

Breeder Relations

Sorry...I wasn't satisfied with this response.
So I called AKC.

I asked to speak directly to the person listed on my solicitation letter to change my dog's name.
The signature line was from  Mr.  David Roberts, Assistant Vice President, Registration Services.
He was at lunch...however in an hour, he did promptly return my call.
I relayed my concerns to him of all the potential problems with allowing a registered dog's name to be changed...one of which was ALSO that this dog they solicited the name change on, had actually not been properly registered into my name.  WHY??? They (AKC) had entered the spelling of my last name incorrectly.  So there was no record listed for this dog as being owned by me in my breeder profile, as it should have been.  I found this out when I tried to register his first litter here in the US. 

 Thankfully, when I called about this they were able to correct it,  but had I not caught it, it would have been very difficult to fix later on in getting pups registered by him.  Which is directly my point in allowing the name change to be done after the dog is initially registered.  TOO MUCH CHANCE FOR HUMAN ERROR  when inputting the information for said dog or owner.
He listed the reasons by which names could be changed.  These included that of having a registered AKC kennel name, or naming and registering all the pups into your own name from your litters first.  Obviously, as posted here, many breeders doing just that have said that this has not proven to be the case.  I told him a couple of stories from these posts...he said he doubted that could have occurred.  I respectfully disagreed, and said that several others had stated that it had.  He asked for proof, of which he would look into.   

SO...IF anyone out there reading this post has had difficulty with properly named dogs having their names changed without giving your permission to AKC to do so, (having currently been named according to and abiding by existing AKC "Rules"...) here's your contact person to deal with this directly. 

The phone number listed below is the number from which he called me back.
Hopefully, his direct line?...

Note:  This does not apply to people you sell your pups to that within your contract agree to name the dog whatever you and the buyer agree on.  That is between you and the buyer, unless you have named the dog and registered it first with AKC, using said name of your choice...or have a registered kennel name with AKC, and have a contract in place stating they will ulse that name. 

American Kennel Club
Attn: Mr David Roberts
Assistant Vice President
Registration Services
1-919-816-3672