AKC SOLICITS MEMBERS to change dog's name - Page 3

BoCRon:

Staple that statement on the barnyard door.. I learned many years ago to make sure My contract was fool proof.

Heidi Landau informed me how to do so..She had a well known person  forge her name on AKC paperwork and had (*&(&(*&^(  getting things straight.

SO by her knowledge I had my kennel name DBA in the Courthouse and from then on a very well stated contract.

Last Year here in Tyler , a man forged a note to AKC and blacked out my name and the dogs LIMITED  check in the box for limited registration....signed my initials and sent it in to AKC>   WHEN  AKC saw my application they did send a letter but they made a BIG mistake and sent it to him...HE , the crooked buyer  ., made a backhanded check mark in the  unlimited box and called me on phone...MS Yellowrose, I need your signature on my girls paperwork as akc said it has to be on this paper..I said   WHAT PAPER>>>the one to give my girl the right to breed her as a certificate not limited..I burst out laughing...HE had a contract...SO I immed said  ...BRING IT TO ME??

Little did I know he had crossed off my  prefix kennel and initialed it with MY INITIALS>>> I called akc when he got to my gate..I also told him....you owe me still $50.00.   until I see the green in hand I won't even look at this paper..He paid me on the spot...THEN I came in house and called SUE at AKC and she laughed...SHE said they issued his paperwork with name already on a limited reg...I said good but my contract says  TR%^*%^^&* has to be on the cert.   She said  FAX me his contract...HE claimed he never got one...Well akc got it and two weeks later they sent him his new certificate with the proper name and LIMITED registration..HE was in duck creek...HE didnt tell me but Mahon did, he had already bred her...so he had pups he could not register....served him right..
The story gets better , yet...

Dressa was the dam of his female and he knew Mahon had her...She died and he found out..
He happened upon Mahon at the lumber yard a few weeks later and ask Mahon if he would sell him. (the crooked buyer)  Dressas papers so he could register his pups out of the female.. He offered Mahon $300.00 for the papers..I thought Mahon would hit him , as he owed Mahon money from a Hay sale. SO  not only does AKC do things that do not offer us breeders security in our sales,,,but they sometimes  do not do things right.


I agree , that we should all petition AKC to not offer such an option.  I only had one other  breeder who is on this board , change my name off his pup he bought from me and AKC is fixing to get that contract tomorrow...I had forgotten about it till now....Thanks for posting this  ...I needed a reminder to finish my job I didn't tend to....

YR

I have had only 2 people not comply with the guidelines within my sales contract, both breeders.  One is in Texas and one is in Idaho.  Basically, this is a total lack of respect for us as breeders that people would think to do this.  Both contracts are null and void, barr none!   Not only that...when people look at a pedigree and see Puck's name on it...it is well known where the dog came from.    That breeder presents herself as deceitful from the start.  Apart from clear and concise guidelines within your contract and the consequences of being out of compliance, I am not sure what anyone can do about this, especially if the AKC supports it.  If you need support from me, Jean, or anyone else, let me know what I can do.

Constance Krebs, RN
Spartanville Shepherds
www.spartanville.com

Hi Yellow Rose...I think you are lucky that AKC reversed the name back to what it was originally, contract or no contract in place stating not to change the name.  I've heard stories from others who are dealing with ownership issues on adult dogs, and AKC has stated they would honor this person if they go to court and obtain a judgement...however having done that, they still drag their feet and find reasons not to follow through with what they told the client they must do in order for "whatever" to be reversed as it should be...ownership, name, whatever.  There are just too many ways that Name changes can occur without us even being aware of it.  We might check on our litters within 30 days of supplying paperwork to owners, and see that it has been named correctly...but what is stopping them from deciding later that they want to change this name?  NOTHING!  (For Local puppy owners who come to pick up their puppy from me, I have taken their $20.00 registration fee made payable directly to AKC, had them sign their AKC paperwork, fill in the pup's name (allowing owner to choose the name with my acceptance of said name) and send it in, in an effort to both make sure all the pups get registered and that the name is on there correctly. 
I do have a clause in my contract that changing the name immediately voids the contract.  So far as I know, I have only found one person who changed their pup's name, and of course, this owner did use their own kennel name on the dog.  Once I learned they had done this, of course there was no longer a contract in place covering them for any problems that might present itself with the puppy, (none ever did) and ...to their advantage, they got a puppy with their own kennel name attached. 

I really like the idea of adding a clause to my contracts, stating there will be a monetary penalty to the buyer should they change the name.  That might just make them think about whether it's really worth doing.  But even that requires, at the very least, time spent with AKC in getting the situation rectified...and possible court action on the client and even AKC as well if either refuse to honor the contract terms.

On the down side...it's just one more thing that we have to start hardballing our clients about.  I feel that AKC should respect and stand up for their breeders, and honor and protect their rights on the dogs they breed and raise...and instead they appear to be stepping all over them.

Connie,  I couldn't agree with you more!   At the very least,  if AKC has a Breeder procedure for us to follow which protects us and guarantees the dog's given name cannot be changed once it is registered, then we should demand that they provide this info to be readily available online, for us to be aware of what that process is.  

WIthout knowing what protects us and what doesn't within their rules and regulations,  there is no clear process for us to follow in order to insure that our dog's names won't be changed, unless there is really a good reason.  I have no issue with a process being put into place that we...buyers and breeders alike... must adhere to in order in the event there is a valid reason for changing a dog's name...wrongly spelled names, for example,  where the breeder or owner brings it to the attention of AKC...and even in this case there should be some kind of check and balance system, to make sure that it isn't just a buyer trying to pull one over on the breeder...similar to what they now do with stud certificate sign offs...it's just a matter of sending out an email notification of the intent to change the name.  If the breeder objects to the name change...well, then it shouldn't be allowed to happen! 

We need to know what they would honor, to know we have completed the process correctly so as to prevent the future change of our dog's names, according to their POSTED rules for something like this.  

I am really concerned that it is looking like they just make the rules up as they go...

There is simply no good reason for AKC to promote this, solely apart from the money aspect. 
 
 

 

I have a breeder friend in Canada that I just emailed tonight,  to inquire if CKC allows the change of names of dogs already registered with CKC. 

I also sent an email to Sabine at the SV, simply asking if they would allow a change of name on a dog, and if so, what the process would be. I hope to have a response from her tomorrow.  That should be interesting. 
I have a hard time imagining that they would allow this to occur, unless there is an incorrect name, spelling, or something of that nature that needs to be CORRECTED, not simply changed to something new altogether.

In the way of support... it wouldn't take much time to write up a short email and send it to AKC Breeder network.., to let them know we are requesting that changing dog's names not be allowed without the consent of the breeders.   If they are already having a difficult time financially, they might want to consider hearing our voice,  since, after all,  we are the ones that guarantee their income for the future. 

Having a couple hundred breeders bombard them demanding that they put in writing the process necessary for us to follow, to insure our original names of our dogs cannot be changed without due process, could make them decide they need to pay attention to the request and provide us with what that process would be. 

It's certainly a start.   

It's rather like voting...if you cast your vote, you can have a say in how things go. 

If you don't,  you have no right to complain about it if you don't like the results.

 

CzechDDR:  I had major problems years ago with AKC when Konig was stolen by the  Trainer for Harris Co SO PCT 4, and I was working in their dog program with him....He sold Konig, along with pups , not registered , because Konig was my dog, only on consignment for work with the DEPT. He abused all rules and was charged with 4 felonies, of which , he was convicted of THREE of them...We never found KONIG and didn;'t know where he went but three other officers had KONIG pups ... they also got false paperwork by MR. Franklin and AKC would not do one thing about paperwork...THEY would not also give correct certificates to the three officers that had been lied to and taken by him. I wrote letters by the umteen and nothing done..They said...A JUDGE will have to issue orders....yeah right...The poor judge under the AST DA TUrbyville that I prosecuted this rat with, said he had never heard of such liars....HE couldn't issue any orders ..HE said AKC had a proceedure and if they didnt have paperwork to fill out he wasn't gonna take  his time to issue order he knew nothing about..

The Judge and ast DA learned a whole lot about dog papers and how some crooks lie and change names and change paperwork and misrepresent dogs...He applauded me and introduced me to the court after the conviction and said " THIS woman threw a book at me...because I said....DOG problems do not belong in a courtroom..WHY in the world is this being brought to the court.?"..After the trial he said " I see why...now....MS Yellowrose  insisted we try this case and told me to deputize her and she would try it...SO here we are...and the lesson I see today is...WHen you buy a cadillac you want a cadillac engine under the hood..WHen you buy a german shepherd and are told it is a certain bloodline,,you want that paper to be correct and be what you paid for...Didn't know until this trial how important papers were to a dog..."

AKC never did issue papers for the pups that we recovered and found to be fraudulantly given false paperwork.

Officers didnt have the money to pursue a case in court..AKC did block Konigs papers as I insisted. 
My contract is very plain and if anyone changes a name or removes my kennel prefix , it is liable for prosecution.
One such person is in for a surprise when I fax  his contract tomorrow..I forgot about it until you posted this today..

YR

Denwolf...your story is appalling and I can only imagine your frustration in trying to get that all worked out.  AKC has no accountability to operate in such a manner.   In the email they sent soliciting the name change of my dog, there is a link you can follow to view the rules that might prevent a change of name.  One criteria which should prevent this is if the owner/breeder registers the whole litter into their names first, just as you did!  

Sadly they can't even follow their own written rules.

I'm counting the hours waiting to see if AKC responds to my email...
and what that response will be. 

Suggestions would be appreciated on how all of you feel this should be addressed with AKC.

Jean

The ability to change a dog's name has been available for a while, and yes, I agree that it is just another revenue generator for the A.K.C.. As mentioned above - just register all puppies with your kennel name and this can be stopped. Darned shame - I agree - and it just adds to the cost of selling a puppy.

I have not produced a litter for several years now, and I think the name change stipulation is written in my sale contract. That would be one (1) way to force a new owner to keep the dog's name intact - just write the contract so that becomes null and void (as far as health guarantees are concerned) if the puppy' name is changed.

Best Regards,
Bob-O