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by Liesjers on 28 July 2010 - 22:07
There are also whip worms which often do not show up in a fecal unless the dog is really overrun with them (at which point it's obvious b/c the dog is thin and has had diarrhea for a long time). I believe they use Drontal for whips.
It could be so many things....
I agree with Connie. Honestly if it were my dog, I'd try less things for longer time, like a 10 day round of flagyl/metro. with two weeks of bland elim diet. It's not a "complete" diet but a dog can eat it for two weeks and be fine. THEN slowly mix in kibble ratio.
As for food, I use California Natural Lamb and Rice. It is an LID (limited ingredient diet) and all my dogs do fabulous on it. I've tried other foods in the past like grain frees or ones with more protein sources and I get inconsistent poops. The only poop problems or loose stools I've had on this food are from other causes like the dog eating half a carton of margarine that was left out or something like that. None of my dogs have allergies or IBS or anything like that but I like using the limited ingredients diets. Sometimes I use the chicken one instead of rice. All my dog's poops are very formed stools and come out almost hard. There's very little odor and if I miss one, it turns white and disintegrates within a day or two like a raw poop. The one problem is that I cannot give them most raw things, they've lost the right digestive enzymes or something b/c they get diarrhea and poop out chunks of bone and cartilege dogs should be able to digest. But it is nice having all dogs on the same kibble, all very healthy with great coats and muscle, very easy for travel not to have to prepare raw or other things. I don't use any toppers or supplements, my dogs are all healthy and young. We do share some people food, table scraps, and let them lick dishes. That's their supplements!
It could be so many things....
I agree with Connie. Honestly if it were my dog, I'd try less things for longer time, like a 10 day round of flagyl/metro. with two weeks of bland elim diet. It's not a "complete" diet but a dog can eat it for two weeks and be fine. THEN slowly mix in kibble ratio.
As for food, I use California Natural Lamb and Rice. It is an LID (limited ingredient diet) and all my dogs do fabulous on it. I've tried other foods in the past like grain frees or ones with more protein sources and I get inconsistent poops. The only poop problems or loose stools I've had on this food are from other causes like the dog eating half a carton of margarine that was left out or something like that. None of my dogs have allergies or IBS or anything like that but I like using the limited ingredients diets. Sometimes I use the chicken one instead of rice. All my dog's poops are very formed stools and come out almost hard. There's very little odor and if I miss one, it turns white and disintegrates within a day or two like a raw poop. The one problem is that I cannot give them most raw things, they've lost the right digestive enzymes or something b/c they get diarrhea and poop out chunks of bone and cartilege dogs should be able to digest. But it is nice having all dogs on the same kibble, all very healthy with great coats and muscle, very easy for travel not to have to prepare raw or other things. I don't use any toppers or supplements, my dogs are all healthy and young. We do share some people food, table scraps, and let them lick dishes. That's their supplements!
by Vom Mager on 29 July 2010 - 00:07
It was suggested that I also mix in his food Tylan. What have people heard about this? Tonight I switched him back to the rice/chicken with a tsp of yogurt. I think I will leave him on this for about a week and monitor his stool.
I appreciate everyones comments. Im sure knowing my boy, he has a very sensitive stomach and hopefully it is just the fact that I moved too fast. My female, she is german and has an iron gut......didn't bother her at all. lol.
Liz
I appreciate everyones comments. Im sure knowing my boy, he has a very sensitive stomach and hopefully it is just the fact that I moved too fast. My female, she is german and has an iron gut......didn't bother her at all. lol.
Liz
by spartshep on 29 July 2010 - 01:07
I am not sure why Tylan, but your decision. Also, be careful using cow's milk yogurt as many dogs are lactose intolerent. That is why I suggested Goat yogurt. Whole Foods has it for sure, not sure where else.
Connie
Connie
by Prager on 29 July 2010 - 22:07
Although goat milk, like cow's milk, contains lactose, many people/.dogs with lactose intolerance can drink goat milk. Why? It has been hypothesized that the reason lies in goat milk's superior digestibility. Goat milk is more completely and easily absorbed than cow's milk, leaving less undigested residue behind in the colon to quite literally ferment and cause the uncomfortable symptoms of lactose intolerance.
The probiotics brake down lactose. Acidophilus is one of many types of lactic acid bacteria. Lactic acid bacteria in the intestines breaks lactose down into short-chain fatty acids and other substances that can be absorbed by the colon.
This is applicable to LIVE probiotics. Yogurt , kefir, is good. I make it at home myself. For me and dogs. It helps replenish proper intestinal culture if the dog is on antibiotics. Too much antibiotics will kill normal culture in intestines and may cause diarrhea too!!!!!!
Prager Hans
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by Renofan2 on 30 July 2010 - 00:07
One use for Tylan is for treatment of SIBO.
Hope your dog is better soon.
Cheryl
Hope your dog is better soon.
Cheryl
by spartshep on 30 July 2010 - 02:07
Hans~~you are absolutely correct about antibiotics. I will take it one step further that without good bacteria from probiotics, secondary infections can present themselves and be as much if not more of a problem than the original problem. As to SIBO...the OP did not say the dog has SIBO, so it is not in the best interest of the dog to treat symptoms without knowing the cause. Giving these products to an immature immune system will cause worse problems down the line, especially without a diagnosis.
Connie
Connie
by rottguy1980 on 02 August 2010 - 03:08
II your dog has no underlying medical problems and is still having a problem then get a can of pumpkin which you can find in the local supermarket. Not the pumpkin mix but pure canned pumpkin. Feed him pumpkin and that should take care of the problem. Then find out the root of the problem which might just be the food.
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 August 2010 - 04:08
Stop changing the poor dog from one thing to another. Rice and chicken broth and Albon in the suspension. one bottle order from your vet 68.00 last you for 2 yrs...put in door of fridge..use on diahrea. 10 days as dose on bottle . Preg bitch can have albon.
.Flagyl is metrondiazole or Fish ZOLE>.. use for at least 10 days if got serious diahrea and chose one or the other and stay on it for 10 days ..do not change dog food till the diahrea cleans up. Do not feed any dog food for two weeks. Use rice and broth , water plenty to drink, filtered then add chicken for another week or so then try the new dog food added tiny bit at a time..changing from one med to another is not doing good.
Ditch the TOW too many people I know had diahrea on it.
Sounds like the panacur did the best result you just added TOW and it is known for causing a problem with lots of people I know. CHOOSE ONE AND USE IT WITH NO DOG FOOD, *(kibble) for a long time then re introduce. Sounds like he has a sensitive gut...not unusual for some lines.
Would not be my choice. You need raw diet , imo, but if not choose a less high protein and higher fat diet without so many rich ingredients till he is clear for a long time... 3 months with no diahrea then try to find something he eats. Add a yogurt or a probiotic to his diet after he is firm. small amounts at a time. Feed three times a day till tummy get set . Smaller amounts work better than feeding one larger meal when tummy is upset.
How old is this DOG?
by hexe on 02 August 2010 - 04:08
"It was suggested that I also mix in his food Tylan. What have people heard about this? Tonight I switched him back to the rice/chicken with a tsp of yogurt. I think I will leave him on this for about a week and monitor his stool. "
I would NOT mix Tylan in his food unless it is prescribed by a vet, and you have been told the purpose of administering this antimicrobial to this dog.
You've done the right thing by returning him to the basic bland diet of rice and chicken, which hopefully will still be bland enough for his GI tract at this point, after it's endured the insult of so many changes in feed in such a short period of time. You should also be dividing his food into at least two meals per day--don't feed him in one single meal. I think you might want to consider leaving him on this for *two* weeks' time, if his stools return to normal on that regimen, before you even consider adding any other food product to the meal.
Once he's had two weeks of normal stools, pick a feed you like and SLOWLY begin to mix it into his bland ration.
By SLOWLY, I mean something along these lines:
Weeks One and Two: for each meal, 3/4 bland diet ration, and 1/4 the feed you wish to start using. So if each of his meals consists of 1 cup of the bland diet mix, you'll start giving him 3/4 cup of the bland diet mix combined with 1/4 cup of whatever feed you want to eventually be using.
Weeks Three and Four: for each meal, 1/2 bland ration diet mixed with 1/2 of the chosen feed.
Week Five: for each meal, 1/4 bland ration diet mixed with 3/4 of the chosen feed.
Week Six: for one meal per day, 1/4 bland ration diet mixed with 3/4 of the chosen feed; for the second meal of the day, a full meal of the chosen feed. If you feed more than two meals per day, then start out with just one of those meals being straight dog food and the other two still being a bland/dog food mix for the first three days, and then start phasing out the bland portions on the fourth day.
If at any time the dog's stools aren't good, stop the process and go back to the bland diet. If he reverts back to the problem stools while ON the bland diet, switch to another bland option (he may have become sensitized to the chicken and rice) such as oatmeal and scrambled eggs or cottage cheese as the protein source.
I would NOT mix Tylan in his food unless it is prescribed by a vet, and you have been told the purpose of administering this antimicrobial to this dog.
You've done the right thing by returning him to the basic bland diet of rice and chicken, which hopefully will still be bland enough for his GI tract at this point, after it's endured the insult of so many changes in feed in such a short period of time. You should also be dividing his food into at least two meals per day--don't feed him in one single meal. I think you might want to consider leaving him on this for *two* weeks' time, if his stools return to normal on that regimen, before you even consider adding any other food product to the meal.
Once he's had two weeks of normal stools, pick a feed you like and SLOWLY begin to mix it into his bland ration.
By SLOWLY, I mean something along these lines:
Weeks One and Two: for each meal, 3/4 bland diet ration, and 1/4 the feed you wish to start using. So if each of his meals consists of 1 cup of the bland diet mix, you'll start giving him 3/4 cup of the bland diet mix combined with 1/4 cup of whatever feed you want to eventually be using.
Weeks Three and Four: for each meal, 1/2 bland ration diet mixed with 1/2 of the chosen feed.
Week Five: for each meal, 1/4 bland ration diet mixed with 3/4 of the chosen feed.
Week Six: for one meal per day, 1/4 bland ration diet mixed with 3/4 of the chosen feed; for the second meal of the day, a full meal of the chosen feed. If you feed more than two meals per day, then start out with just one of those meals being straight dog food and the other two still being a bland/dog food mix for the first three days, and then start phasing out the bland portions on the fourth day.
If at any time the dog's stools aren't good, stop the process and go back to the bland diet. If he reverts back to the problem stools while ON the bland diet, switch to another bland option (he may have become sensitized to the chicken and rice) such as oatmeal and scrambled eggs or cottage cheese as the protein source.
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 August 2010 - 05:08
Hexe is correct as is Hans.... Yes Pumpkin can be added one tablespoon at a time..and then the probiotic is a must.
I eat activia and take a colon support three or 4 times a week.
Also I mentioned the rich TOW...the % of protein is way too high. Dog food is very rich. I have never ever been able to use any of Diamond brand foods.
but way too much protein level for a gsd who is not a high working dog on the go and working every day very hard.
Fat is important when the dog has a normal tummy and digestion for 3 months..but make sure it is real fat off of beef and not cooking grease etc.
DO not worry about food until the bland diet is done for several weeks or even 4 weeks...then do as Hexe described and ad the probiotic. Good bacteria must be put back into dog anytime you use antibiotics or even worming or shots. Dogs stress levels always affect the intestine just like it does us..when we stress we get that same reaction.
Dr Michael Savage has written many books about Healing with food and using probiotics. He not only is a conservative but he is a DR. of Nutrition . Not dogs but humans...same thing applies.
YR
I eat activia and take a colon support three or 4 times a week.
Also I mentioned the rich TOW...the % of protein is way too high. Dog food is very rich. I have never ever been able to use any of Diamond brand foods.
but way too much protein level for a gsd who is not a high working dog on the go and working every day very hard.
Fat is important when the dog has a normal tummy and digestion for 3 months..but make sure it is real fat off of beef and not cooking grease etc.
DO not worry about food until the bland diet is done for several weeks or even 4 weeks...then do as Hexe described and ad the probiotic. Good bacteria must be put back into dog anytime you use antibiotics or even worming or shots. Dogs stress levels always affect the intestine just like it does us..when we stress we get that same reaction.
Dr Michael Savage has written many books about Healing with food and using probiotics. He not only is a conservative but he is a DR. of Nutrition . Not dogs but humans...same thing applies.
YR
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