Noch Zugelassen means Mild Dysplasia - Page 1

http://www.offa.org/hipgrade.html VomFelsenHof asked "where did it say Noch Zugelassen means Mild Dysplasia?" If not exactly, it was something very close and please forgive me if not a correct and exacting quote. The Official Orthopedic Foundation For Animals web site clearly states OFA Excellent, Good and Fair are the equivalents of the SV (Germany) Normal. That OFA Borderline Dysplasia is the equivalent of the SV (Germany) Fast Normal, and that Mild Dysplasia is the equivalent of the SV (Germany) Noch Zugelassen. There you are, information as requested, right from the OFA.

That is exactly what the OFA website says. However, I have found this to be untrue. Typically, if a dog has a1,a2 or a3 it will OFA. I have also seen a dog x-rayed at 1 year and have a3 hips, and then OFA good at 2 years.

I do thank you, PAINTHORSETOM, for the quotation from OFA. However, I would agree with Zahnburg. I have had similar instances where a dog with "a" noch zugelassen hips has come back OFA good, 12 months later. I believe that it is NOT accurate to say that OFA excellent, good and fair are the equivalents of "a" normal, and everything else is some form of hip dysplasia. I think I will talk to some radiologists and orthopedic specialists I know, and get a professional opinion, and then I will post that on here as well. As I previously stated, OFA is a joke. It's a good idea, and their heart is in the right place, but it's just not accurate enough. Perhaps registries will begin to recognize PennHIP?

And I have seen an instance where a FastNormal comes back OFA Excellent..... that was a shock!! Comparing the "a" stamp program ratings and OFA's are like comparing apples to oranges.. I just don't believe it is that simple....

Sometimes hip results can be skewed due to a dog's not being anethesized. Some hesitate to even tranq a dog for a hip xray, but a dog's being xrayed without being completely relaxed could mean the difference between an OFA fair and a mildly dysplastic. Using NZ's for breeding might not be the best move for those looking to improve hips in their dogs.

Using NZ's for breeding might not be the best move for those looking to improve hips in their dogs. Correct me if I'm wrong,but I thought that what was most important in regards to hips was what the parent animals PRODUCE in their offspring. Just because a dog has NZ hips themselves does'nt necessarily mean that is what they will produce.....Jeck v. Noricum is a good example of this. Although he had NZ hips,he was a known hip improver. Many dogs with a Normal hips are not dominant for producing it. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!

As far as the noch Zugelassen issue is concerned, the S.V. x-rays are taken at one (1) year of age, rather than two (2) years as with the OFA. Typically, hips do not improve in most cases, but the technique of x-raying can. We all know that positioning is very important. I prefer to allow a dog to exercise during the early part of the day and take the x-rays without anesthaesia or with a minimum amount of anesthaesia. Maybe I am superstitious, but I did have a dog fail because the veterinarian fully sedated the dog (a civil-drive working line-he was afraid of her) and pulled the acetebulums from the sockets during the x-ray. The same dog was x-rayed later without anesthaesia and easily passed. Typically hips that are noch Zugelassen will not pass the OFA exam. But, no one has a perfect system and to some degree hip x-rays are subject to interpretation and perhaps staying within a certain pass/fail ratio. Just my observation and opinion. Bob-O

A dog always has to be sedated to get good hip x-rays. Without sedation the muscles could keep the bones in place and therefore make a better result than the dog actually has. But a good vet is the most important for good x-rays.

Dshlerner, if you find an NZ dog that produces a majority of normal hips and that ability is passed on to his progeny and they in turn pass it on to their progeny, I think you have quite an unusual dog there. I would breed to him too. When I had HD problems in my dogs the last thing I thought about doing was to breed to a dog that wasn't rated good or excellent. If you have a line that is known for good hips, an NZ might not cause you any damage, but if your are looking to improve the hips in your line, why not use the best hips you can find?

Prominent example: VA-1 Jeck vom Noricum, a3!!! If people would have ignored him because of his hip rating, we would not have the Ursus-line (Yasko, Larus etc.) nowadays. Chris