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by Sherman-RanchGSD on 02 March 2009 - 23:03
Well there are bacteria and virus and molds all over...the healthy body usually could care less.
Sometimes various and unknow cause particular bodiesto succomb. Pseudomonas infections occur in individuals who have a particular susceptibility to this bacterium ..something in their immune system makes them a target :( P. aeruginosa is a rod-shaped organism that can be found in soil, water, plants, and animals. Because it rarely causes disease in healthy but infects those who are already sick or who have weakened immune systems, it is called an opportunistic pathogen. Opportunistic pathogens are organisms that do not ordinarily cause disease, but multiply freely in persons whose immune systems are weakened by illness or medication....:(
Many anitibiotics whipe out EVERYthing... this in a sense can supress your immune system leaving it host to other predators :( steroids and other drugs also in some patience can do that :(
I am sorry to hear about your old girl.
For the new poster...its always good to ask, get advice, get a second opinion or third if you need to. Learning from others mistakes or problem is one of the positive things about the new age/internet.. we have MUCH more info accessable to us and dont have to rely on one doctors take.
Warm Regards,
Debi
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by hodie on 03 March 2009 - 01:03
"we have MUCH more info accessable to us and dont have to rely on one doctors take"
Yes, and sadly, too many people who look at information on the internet have no clue what they are talking about or do not have enough background to really understand the information even when it is valid.
Yes, and sadly, too many people who look at information on the internet have no clue what they are talking about or do not have enough background to really understand the information even when it is valid.
by Pharaoh on 03 March 2009 - 02:03
Gentian Violet is good on these weird resistant things. You can buy it at some drugstores in a 1% or 2% solution.
Also, it is a major ingredient in a very good ear cleaner. K9 Liquid Health Ear Solution. It is really good stuff and would be an addition to what you are doing.
Ark Naturals has an ear cleaner with a major dose of Cinnamon. As we are running into resistant strains, it is time to bring out the old classics.
Good Luck,
Michele
Also, it is a major ingredient in a very good ear cleaner. K9 Liquid Health Ear Solution. It is really good stuff and would be an addition to what you are doing.
Ark Naturals has an ear cleaner with a major dose of Cinnamon. As we are running into resistant strains, it is time to bring out the old classics.
Good Luck,
Michele
by hodie on 03 March 2009 - 14:03
One does not know what they are "running into" without a culture done.
Antibiotics don't wipe out your immune system. They kill, by a variety of methods, specific kinds of bacteria.
Patient = is someone or some animal being treated
Patience = is what one must have to read this forum
Antibiotics don't wipe out your immune system. They kill, by a variety of methods, specific kinds of bacteria.
Patient = is someone or some animal being treated
Patience = is what one must have to read this forum
by Pharaoh on 03 March 2009 - 18:03
No, antiboitics do not "wipe out" your immune syste. However, they can "wipe out" beneficial bacteria in your system thus allowing the not so beneficial to increase rapidly when the beneficials are no longer around to keep them in check. Yeast can overgrow to where it becomes a problem.
Yes, we sometimes need to wipe out bacteria that make us and our dogs sick. There are almost always side effects.
There is no free lunch - there is only risk vs benefit analysis. That's what a good doctor or vet can do for you is to make that analysis.
Many doctors will tell you to take yoghurt or pro-biotics to replace the good guys that we need in our gut.
Michele
Yes, we sometimes need to wipe out bacteria that make us and our dogs sick. There are almost always side effects.
There is no free lunch - there is only risk vs benefit analysis. That's what a good doctor or vet can do for you is to make that analysis.
Many doctors will tell you to take yoghurt or pro-biotics to replace the good guys that we need in our gut.
Michele
by Renofan2 on 09 March 2009 - 21:03
I ran into a pseudomonas infection in Reno's ears back in 2001 when she was 8 years old. She had horrible ear infections since she was 6 months old and was always on some type of antibiotic. This was a nasty and difficult infection to get rid of. The vet ended up operating. I have to dig thru my records to find out what antibiotic the vet prescribed that finally worked. I remember she was on it for about a month and the cost was very expensive.
Zeakar - sorry about your dog. You mention thick mucas from the nose. Reno began with thick mucas from the nose and then once the pseudomonas was gone, she started with severe nose bleeds. She was also 8 at the time. She had a laprascope done of her sinuses a few months later and diagnosis was a sinus tumor, however she lived 6 years after diagnosis passing away just 2 months shy of her 14th birthday. The vet did not biopsy the tumor, so I suspect his diagnosis was not correct and always wondered if it was something linked to her Pseudomonas infection. Weird thing is once the nose bleeds started she never again had any further problems with her ears. The nose bleeds got worse and would happen almost every day, until about a year before she died. Vet never had an answer other than telling me she was a miracle dog.
I wish you luck with your dog and hope that he is better soon. Please let us know how he is doing.
Cheryl
Zeakar - sorry about your dog. You mention thick mucas from the nose. Reno began with thick mucas from the nose and then once the pseudomonas was gone, she started with severe nose bleeds. She was also 8 at the time. She had a laprascope done of her sinuses a few months later and diagnosis was a sinus tumor, however she lived 6 years after diagnosis passing away just 2 months shy of her 14th birthday. The vet did not biopsy the tumor, so I suspect his diagnosis was not correct and always wondered if it was something linked to her Pseudomonas infection. Weird thing is once the nose bleeds started she never again had any further problems with her ears. The nose bleeds got worse and would happen almost every day, until about a year before she died. Vet never had an answer other than telling me she was a miracle dog.
I wish you luck with your dog and hope that he is better soon. Please let us know how he is doing.
Cheryl
by Sam1427 on 10 March 2009 - 03:03
I have always found the Merck Veterinary Manual to be an invaluable source of veterinary information.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com
It is fairly technical at times, but understandable to the layman. There is a search function, or you can look at topics under physical systems like "Eye and Ear".
Zeaker, has your vet done a culture to identify the culprit bacteria? If not, one should be done. If your vet doesn't have the facilities, there are labs to send cultures off to and he should know about them. Otherwise the antibiotic is just a shot in the dark - specific antibiotics work on specific bacteria. Consider asking your vet for a referral to a specialist if your dog is no better.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com
It is fairly technical at times, but understandable to the layman. There is a search function, or you can look at topics under physical systems like "Eye and Ear".
Zeaker, has your vet done a culture to identify the culprit bacteria? If not, one should be done. If your vet doesn't have the facilities, there are labs to send cultures off to and he should know about them. Otherwise the antibiotic is just a shot in the dark - specific antibiotics work on specific bacteria. Consider asking your vet for a referral to a specialist if your dog is no better.
by Zeaker on 11 March 2009 - 00:03
A culture was done. That's the reason both the Zinoquinn and Amikacin Sulfate were chosen. He's taking the injections pretty well, the last two will be March 11th and 12th. Keeping our fingers crossed.
by Lestat on 12 March 2009 - 07:03
I had a 11 year old shepherd which got this type of infection. All injectable and oral antibiotics failed to make the slightest change to the ear. Finally my vet came up with an idea that was cheap and very effective. He gave me a bottle of epi-otic earwash and this was spiked with the injectable antibiotic that the pseudoonas was susceptable to. I think ours was dibekacin or kanamycin. Not sure now. I can not remember what the amount was he added but your vet should be able to help with that. I must say that within 3 days the ear was clean. We used this was for 10 days 2 times daily. It never cam back again! Hope this helps as it is a really difficult infection to get rid of!
Dibekacin shows the most potency on all strains of psuedo. My suggestion would be to change to that. What you must remember is that psuedo takes hold of in systems that are low in resistance. She may have had some other under-lying infection that you may not have noticed. While she is on the antibiotics I would feed her a lot of yoghurt and also get he onto a top quality vitamin supplement
Dibekacin shows the most potency on all strains of psuedo. My suggestion would be to change to that. What you must remember is that psuedo takes hold of in systems that are low in resistance. She may have had some other under-lying infection that you may not have noticed. While she is on the antibiotics I would feed her a lot of yoghurt and also get he onto a top quality vitamin supplement
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