Please explain this show placing - Page 3

Mackenzie
I find the fact you made the comment  ( "For  example, as an experienced exhibitor you will  be aware of who moves in which circles and so you can reasonable calculate whether you will be in the first five or not." )  in such a blaze , matter of fact way to be an obhorrent state of affairs because what you are actually implying here is that ALL judging is either corrupt or incompetant and I can assure you Sir on a personal level that this is definately not the case and to suggest such is an insult to all the decent, honest judges out there. !!

What you appear to be saying is -  It is acceptable to have dishonest judges prepared to cheat and do favours and it is the fault of the exhibitors for entering under these judges if they havent done their homework to know they would not be in the judges chosen few!! Then you go on to say that an Incompetant judge is another matter !!?? Whats that all about? Are you really trying to make the case that an incompetant judge is somehow worse than a dishonest one???

And you end by saying "This is something exhibitors must work out for themselves". Well no wonder entries are continuing to drop at an alarming rate, I have always maintained that when judgeing the ONLY FAVOURS the judge should be doing is TO THE BREED and at the end of a days judging UTIMATELY THE ONLY WINNER SHOULD BE THE BREED!!  To me NOTHING else is important, when a judge stands in the middle of that ring they should have no friends nor repay any favours except those owed to the furture improvement of the BREED itself.

Personally I would be more inclined to accept a bad placing from an Honest Incompetant than one from a Dishonest Bias, at least the incompetant was trying to do the right thing thus all still had an equal chance, which is not the case with the Biased Favour placing judge.

I was not at the show but would hope for the sake of the Two Day Show that the committee would already be on top of this complaint and have sorted out the problem . 

Regards
Sue

Hi Missbeeb
In reply to your question when raising this thread, quite frankly if this is what actually happened then quite simply it was WRONG and THERE IS NO EXPLANATION FOR THAT!!.
Regards
Sue

Susie.

  I don't think Mackenzie is implying that the Judges are all corrupt, but that armed with the knowledge from the catalogue , they perceive that they are making the " RIGHT DECISION " in as much as the the German dog, with the German qualifications, or the progeny of top German dogs, are superior to the others, now i know that this is sometimes the case,  some may argue that it's usually the case, but, and it's a big but,  not always. Malcolm Willis always said that the dog born in Mannheim, is no different to that born in Manchester, as far as the judge should be concerned.

   As you can see Susie this is my fourth post on this thread, which tells you that i'm not working today, and that an idle mind is indeed, a Devil's workshop.

Regards Paul.

Hello Sue

First let me deal with the first paragraph of your response because once again you are putting your own interpretation on what I have said.  I have not said or implied that ALL judging is either incompetent or corrupt.  Also, you appear  to have taken this rather personally.  I have not pointed the finger at you as being corrupt or incompetent.  However, IF I knew that to be different I would say so and put my name to it.  You should know by now that what I actually write is what I mean.  If you want to believe that all judging is NOT corrupt or incompetent then you are naive.  All of the honest judges will  not be insulted by what I have written because they will know the comment does not apply to them

The second paragraph is again of your interpretation of what you think I appear to be saying.  You are once again completely wrong.

I agree with your third paragraph because the incompetent will not know his/her limitations at the time of judging.

My comment regarding incompetence is quite clear in plain English, your mother tongue.  Not understanding it is incompetent.

Finally, as a past exhibitor, if I could not finish in three first five I would not enter a dog.  Traipsing all  over the Country with a no hoper is economically a disaster and a tiring waste of time.   That is common sense.

One thing that you cannot deny is that incompetence and corruption does exist, not only in our breed but in all breeds.

Regards

Mackenzie

Is there different rules for each country on how to Judge a German Shepherd ?