Sven Vom Grafental - Page 2

Yea yea Pharaoh i guess people that do not know will listen to you. Your friends from DDR Legends

know about Boban. Boon and his friend had to dogs from the breeding with bads hip The owner kept a daughter

 also Bora another with bad hips. The Sv banned them for a reason. I guess that is a rumor to.

Yea yea Pharaoh i guess people that do not know will listen to you. Your friends from DDR Legends

know about Boban. Boon and his friend had to dogs from the breeding with bads hip The owner kept a daughter

 also Bora another with bad hips. The Sv banned them for a reason. I guess that is a rumor to.

DDR SDG I am not in a contest, nor do I want anyone to "listen" to me.  I am not a guru and don't desire any followers.  I feel like you have a lot of information but it is all hidden in confusing communication and sarcasm  I don't know who "Boon and his freind" are. Are you telling me that they owned a female bred to Boban or Sven?  I would like to learn from you but it is difficult to follow.

I don't know anyone on DDR Legends.  I have barely ever been on that website.  I have heard from enough different sources, some of who usually have documented facts to back them up or first hand knowledge, that the SV banned any further breedings between Sven and Sindy.  Unfortunately, I don't know why.  If there were too many displastic pups (i don't dispute that, I don't know), then why do both Sven G and Sindy S have such good ZWs. 

Perhaps someone who understands the formulae for the adjustment of ZW based on offspring could jump in here and explain the math.  I am not looking to argue but to learn from those who do know.

If we constantly attack and ridicule there will never any good give and take discussion.  Some people who do have a lot of knowledge  to share (not talking about myself) will never come forward to share.  Why should they if they are abused and attacked for doing so.

If I read something and I look up on official databases (like the SV website ZW lookup) something that doesn't fit what I have just read, I will share what I found.  That is intended to lead to a discussion where I would hope to learn something along the lines of "there is more to the story".  Then, I would hope that those who know additional facts will share them openly. 

If I say according to the SV that Sven, who sired many, many litters, has an ZW of 85 , I assume means that statistically he produces good hips.  If someone else has information that would cast a different light on this interpretation. or that SV is just a pile of meaningless poop, please explain.  Maybe I would be convinced.  I won't attack you even if I disagree and choose to believe SV.

My youngster is sired by a Sven son, Quiyk vom Grafental ZW 78 (Edit  - ZW 79 Just checked on sv site)

Current BVA scores for dogs sired by Quiyk are...

Litter A - 3/6 - 23/13 - 6/5 - 14/17  - Dams score 3/5

Litter B - 7/7 - Dams Score 4/4

Litter C - 2/6 - 4/6 - Dams Score 4/4

Litter D - 5/4 - 6/7 -  Dams Score 5/6

Litter E - 8/5 - Dams Score 5/7

Litter F - 5/4 - 3/2 - 3/6 - Dams Score 6/7

Litter G - 4/8 - 6/5 - Dams score 5/7

Litter H - 6/7 - 5/3 - 4/7 - 3/6 - Dams Score  No data available

I am talking about the combanitons of Sven. Sven (zw 86) himself had offspring with zw's from mid 80's to 114. He gave hips from a1 to a4 and some less then that ,elbows from A to C. Many of his offspring have no hip of elbow ratings, if they did his zw would change. I would say if you have a bitch that may have hip problems in her gene pool. This male and his line should have a red flag. Boban was the male i was talking about he and his siblings had many many problems 

Missing premolars are also Associated with this bloodline.

"Missing premolars are also Associated with this bloodline."

please be more specific, how about name the dam and the sire, how many puppies in the litter and how many with missing teeth.

"this bloodline" is a bit vague.

I am not saying you are wrong, I am just not clear on what you are saying.

From sven's sire line. The von Grauen Monstab dogs from sven/sindy had the hip -elbow and molar problems

and that is just one example. Do more research

Boban is in the SV ZW CD, he is registered in Germany. His SV number is 2124825. He even has progeny on the SV ZW CD. You might not find him on the online version but if you sub to it, he is there.

You are so right, I put in his number and nothing came up.  As a pet home, I don't have the CD's.

Please tell me what it says on the CD about Boban's pups and about Sven Grafental and if I am not pushing my luck too far, Aron vom Poppitz.

Do you have the specific information on why Sven x Sindy Shaferliesel breedings were banned?

Who....