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TIG

by TIG on 10 December 2008 - 03:12

People People People , please use the grey matter god gave you. The vast majority ( if not all) of dogs claimed to be wolf hybrids are a fiction. They are a marketing hype that people found sold puppies. Most are crosses between GSD  and artic breeds such as Malmutes sometimes you'll see a bit of Chow or Akita ( its the coat and prick ear they are looking for). 

The reality is 1. Where do these people supposedly get the wolves they are breeding to?  Most of our wolf populations have been under endangered or protected status  for decades. Do you know the kind of federal permits you need to house one of these animals?  2. Do you know how difficult it is to live with a true hybrid never mind a wild wolf? These are NOT domesticated animals and do NOT act as such and that has been well and thoroughly documented. So when someone tells you his pups sire/dam was/is a wolf - ask for the federal permits. See how it acts in the house and with people. I will guarantee you you are looking at a scam!

 


by RDH on 10 December 2008 - 15:12

here is the website to the guy in texas breeding wolf pups: starcrosswolves.com read the tab that says THE WOLF

 

I just came across this site a view mins ago : texaswolves.com read the FAQ and view the puppy pics.

is this adult a wolf or a dog? I feel that if this breed combination is dangerous or bad news it should be illegal to breed them. But there are some that don't feel that way because they own them. I feel that if you properly socialize the animal then there shouldn't be too much of an issue. I think the wolf hybrid is very stunning animal to look at. Whatever rocks your boat.  I guess I can view it two ways but never will know until I experience it myself . I personally like the gsd look and the dark sable gsd has a wolf like appearance to me, which is good enough.

 

I strongly believe that wild animal should be left alone and not be use for peoples enjoyment.  I feel that way with the savannah cats, bengals, etc. You would not believe how much those animals go for..$7,000-$21,000. Exactly ,my point for enjoyment and making money. ( there is no purpose for this because it doesn't better the breeds)


TIG

by TIG on 10 December 2008 - 18:12

RDH  There is a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like you to look at.

You referred to two websites both of  whom claim to be located in Texas. Check out the Texas laws specifically  Parks and Wildlife Code Chap 63 Game and non game animals ( http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Search.aspx)  . Section 63.02 says Sec. 63.102.  WOLVES.  (a)  No person may possess, transport, receive, or release a live wolf in this state.

Note it doesn't say but for Starcrossed or Carol's Wolves. It says NO PERSON.

Also look at the Texas Wolf site and do the math. She makes all these claims that this one is 96% or 97% or 95.5% wolf w/o any documentation.  IF you do the math the it gives light to the lies.  There are 14 animals in a 3 generation pedigree 30 in a 4 generation. If ONE was a dog in 3 generations that % wolf would be 95.8571. If two dogs in 4 generations would make the % 93.333. So tell me how she is achieving the percentages she is claiming. It also tells us that she would have to have access to a whole lot of wolves.  Oh wait let's go back up to the Texas law  what did it say. "No person may possess, transport, receive, or release a live wolf in this state."  Texas  has separate laws regarding endangered species as well.  Both ot these kinds of statues are common in other states.

So what say you can I interest you in that bridge?


by Lizbeth71 on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

I have spent alot of years working with wolves. Wolf hybrids or full bred wolves , they are a challenge. Most of my lifes work has been in educating people on how they do not make good pets. If they did the rescues wouldn't be so overloaded  I have a hybrid now he is wonderful but not a pet.  He takes special care and planning and patience.Two moons, I have read alot of your posts and I often find myself identifing ( I spelled that wrong) with you. You have a way of saying things that really fits My boy often grabs my pantleg trying to stop me from leaving him its really kinda heartbreaking.. On a  better note we play together too! (carefuly) lol Different states have different laws on wolves . . Fact of the matter is: alot of wolf hybrid or wolf dogs (as they like to be called now) breeders get caught up in numbers ,percentages forgetting that the higher the percent is the more likley it is the pup will either come back or  end up in an overcrowded rescue or worse put down.  There is a new breed that is interesting me I have not fully made up my mind about them , They are called Tamaskans, they look like a wolf but have NO wolf in them . here is a pic of my boy being lazy...

PS: its not as well put as two moons but I hope it's understandable... lol


by RDH on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

lol TIG. I always hated math :). Any how i browsed your link. It only says wolf but doesn't say hybrids in the documents.

So I take it those hybrid breeders ( 2 sites) are doing a illegal operation???

If they don't mention hybrids then they are allowed to operate. I see where your coming from with the percentage. But that pic i took of f that site looks like pure wolf to me!


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

I look at this sometimes,

www.pets4you.com/wolf.html

Hope it works.


by RDH on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

daaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg! Two Moons i didn't know that there were that many breeders of wolf hybrids out there. This is really not a good thing.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

Check out the exotic cats...


TIG

by TIG on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

RDH  Yes the law does not mention hybrids. But my point was that Texas Wolves can not have the percentages claimed UNLESS the vast majority of breeding animals which created the "claimed" hybrid were wolves. IF that is true and she did have wolves then yes she is in violation of the law. The other site does not mention percentages but claims to have wolves. Ergo in violation of the law unless somehow he obtained a research or endangered species permit but I sincerely doubt under either of those permits  he would be allowed to breed and sell hybrids.

My personal opinion remains that the vast majority of people "claiming" to be breeding hybrids are mere scam artists using a very effective marketing tool or someone who was sold the Brooklyn Bridge and unfortunately believed the seller so the myth gets propogated.

I love having dogs in my life especially GSDs. I think wolves are beautiful and deserve their rightful place in the wild. To confine that spirit I personally think is a sin. These are not animals that made the choice to live with humans as the ancestors of dogs did milleniums ago. We have domesticated canids to enjoy and we still have a way to go in learning how to be good stewards to all of them. Most of our  wolf populations are at risk. Why not try to work to return their wild populations to sustainable levels rather than corrupting what they are.  Once gone - it is forever - you can not recreate it.

 PBS recently ran a wonderful special called the In the Valley Wolves about the wolves of Yellowstone. Watch , Enjoy and be thankful we have a piece of the wild where they can live their rightful lives.


TIG

by TIG on 10 December 2008 - 19:12

RDH  Yes the law does not mention hybrids. But my point was that Texas Wolves can not have the percentages claimed UNLESS the vast majority of breeding animals which created the "claimed" hybrid were wolves. IF that is true and she did have wolves then yes she is in violation of the law. The other site does not mention percentages but claims to have wolves. Ergo in violation of the law unless somehow he obtained a research or endangered species permit but I sincerely doubt under either of those permits  he would be allowed to breed and sell hybrids.

My personal opinion remains that the vast majority of people "claiming" to be breeding hybrids are mere scam artists using a very effective marketing tool or someone who was sold the Brooklyn Bridge and unfortunately believed the seller so the myth gets propogated.

I love having dogs in my life especially GSDs. I think wolves are beautiful and deserve their rightful place in the wild. To confine that spirit I personally think is a sin. These are not animals that made the choice to live with humans as the ancestors of dogs did milleniums ago. We have domesticated canids to enjoy and we still have a way to go in learning how to be good stewards to all of them. Most of our  wolf populations are at risk. Why not try to work to return their wild populations to sustainable levels rather than corrupting what they are.  Once gone - it is forever - you can not recreate it.

 PBS recently ran a wonderful special called the In the Valley Wolves about the wolves of Yellowstone. Watch , Enjoy and be thankful we have a piece of the wild where they can live their rightful lives.






 


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