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by Langhaar on 15 October 2008 - 16:10

Extract from the previous link on the long term effects of neutering.  The figures and stats in this do not mirror those printed above...............

Mammary Cancer (Breast Cancer)

Mammary tumors are by far the most common tumors in intact female dogs, constituting some 53% of all

malignant tumors in female dogs in a study of dogs in Norway

15 where spaying is much less common than in16. Mammary17, and the published research18 shows that the



29 months 0.06

 

Intact 1.00

Please note that these are RELATIVE risks. This study has been referenced elsewhere many times but the

results have often been misrepresented as absolute risks.

A similar reduction in breast cancer risk was found for women under the age of 40 who lost their estrogen

production due to “artificial menopause”

Mammary cancer was found to be the 10

even though 86% of female GRs were spayed, at a median age of 3.4 yrs

subset accounts for almost all mammary cancer cases, it probably would rank at about the 5

cause of years of lost life in female GRs. It would rank higher still if more female GRs had been kept intact

up to 30 months of age.

Boxers, cocker spaniels, English Springer spaniels, and dachshunds are breeds at high risk of mammary

tumors

mammary cancer between the ages of 6-12 years of age

may be at higher risk than mixed breed dogs, and purebred dogs with high inbreeding coefficients may be at

higher risk than those with low inbreeding coefficients

are significant.

In summary, spaying female dogs significantly reduces the risk of mammary cancer (a common cancer),

and the fewer estrus cycles experienced at least up to 30 months of age, the lower the risk will be.

30 months 0.40 (not statistically significant at the P<0.05 level)19 and breast cancer in humans is known to be estrogen activated.th most common cause of years of lost life in Golden Retrievers,10. Considering that the femaleth most common15. A population of mostly intact female Boxers was found to have a 40% chance of developing15. There are some indications that purebred dogs20. More investigation is required to determine if these

the USA.

50-60% of mammary tumors are malignant, for which there is a significant risk of metastasis

tumors in dogs have been found to have estrogen receptors

relative ri


tigermouse

by tigermouse on 15 October 2008 - 16:10

my old vet said 10 wks so i changed vets later that day lol....numptie


ziegenfarm

by ziegenfarm on 15 October 2008 - 18:10

i agree with tigermouse........2-3 yrs is best.

pjp


by Sam1427 on 16 October 2008 - 03:10

I wouldn't spay a female until she was physically and mentally mature, at least 2 or 3 years old. Keeping them inside to prevent an unwanted litter isn't that big a deal, nor is dealing with discharge. It's better for the bitch to have all her hormones so her body and mind mature properly.

Vets get indoctrinated to spay and neuter. They make money off it, of course. Those statistics about mammary tumors are relative and misleading at best. The chance of any bitch getting mammary tumors is quite small.


by Alabamak9 on 16 October 2008 - 03:10

You should never spay or neuter a dog before it reaches maturity  at age 2 or 3. Many things are effected including essential hormones needed including thyroid levels which can effect hips and joints issues before the growth plates have fully closed. Vets will do this at age eight weeks which I think is terrible and can do harm to the dogs maturing normally.

The cancer risks are in older dogs not six month old puppies. After a female has ended her breeding career she is spayed because of this concern of course but to date I have never had one female with breast cancer so I think this is a scare tactic used by some vets to promote early spay and neutering. I will not guarantee a dog for hips if the owner has it spayed or neutered before 24 months as this can attribute to HD.

Marlene


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 16 October 2008 - 04:10

Waiting until maturity make's the most sense.

Cancer statistic's give me head ache's....   all statistic's do.....  number's on paper.

I am embarrassed that my dog's don't have any rare or exotic physical or mental problem's.

Moon's.


by triodegirl on 16 October 2008 - 13:10

moon's what?


snajper69

by snajper69 on 16 October 2008 - 13:10

AlabamaK9 makes a very valid statment. I would not spay a female that did not mature yet, I don't care how big the risk is. Do you think animals in a wild get fix(broken). After few recent issues with my local vets I will not take a vet opinion over a breeder, or a bioligists, and most of them agree that it is not a good idea to spay females that are not fully mature yet.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 16 October 2008 - 13:10

Its a joke triodegirl,

I'll die of cancer before my dog does.

If I don't get hit by a car chasing my tail.


snajper69

by snajper69 on 16 October 2008 - 13:10

By the way one of my vets who happens to be a breeder of GR as well always sait to me don't fix her before 2 and if you decide you dn't want her bread fix her than. He never recomended fixing females before 2 years his partner did :).






 


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